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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 2458227" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p>I'm very indecisive on this question, actually. In general, I feel that the core races <em>are</em> bland, but they don't have to be. Eberron showed how to take core elves, give them four interesting spins (Khorvaire standard elves, the Dragonmarked House elves, Valenar "hero" elves and Aerenal "necromancer" elves). FR on the other hand came up with subraces. Both are solutions to the problem that yes, core races can be kinda bland. Anymore, except for serious extenuating circumstances (like tradition, maybe; I think drow as merely a cultural spin on a mechanically core elf race is probably not going to fly) I'm all for avoiding mechanical sub-races, but I do like the cultural spin that the subraces give. Perhaps a very minor mechanical fix, sorta along the lines of regional feats or something like that, could be used to differentiate.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Psion, could you provide some more info on your "background packages" as that also seems like something that would accomplish the same purpose.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I'd be all for a campaign that didn't feature <em>any</em> of the core races (except maybe human) but instead had a collection of other races. I'd love to have a bunch of LA +1 planetouched races, for instance, and use them as my racial selections. But again, that's because I find the core races bland. I'm glad my current DM doesn't have any problem inserting changelings and shifters into his Greyhawk Age of Wyrms campaign (the other two Eberron races are too firmly tied to the setting, IMO, but shifter and changeling could fit just about any D&D campaign easily enough) for the same reason.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 2458227, member: 2205"] I'm very indecisive on this question, actually. In general, I feel that the core races [i]are[/i] bland, but they don't have to be. Eberron showed how to take core elves, give them four interesting spins (Khorvaire standard elves, the Dragonmarked House elves, Valenar "hero" elves and Aerenal "necromancer" elves). FR on the other hand came up with subraces. Both are solutions to the problem that yes, core races can be kinda bland. Anymore, except for serious extenuating circumstances (like tradition, maybe; I think drow as merely a cultural spin on a mechanically core elf race is probably not going to fly) I'm all for avoiding mechanical sub-races, but I do like the cultural spin that the subraces give. Perhaps a very minor mechanical fix, sorta along the lines of regional feats or something like that, could be used to differentiate. EDIT: Psion, could you provide some more info on your "background packages" as that also seems like something that would accomplish the same purpose. Personally, I'd be all for a campaign that didn't feature [i]any[/i] of the core races (except maybe human) but instead had a collection of other races. I'd love to have a bunch of LA +1 planetouched races, for instance, and use them as my racial selections. But again, that's because I find the core races bland. I'm glad my current DM doesn't have any problem inserting changelings and shifters into his Greyhawk Age of Wyrms campaign (the other two Eberron races are too firmly tied to the setting, IMO, but shifter and changeling could fit just about any D&D campaign easily enough) for the same reason. [/QUOTE]
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