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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 6230493" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Oh boy, this is going to get complicated. I've been trying to sort out the different D&D Dragons myself over the last few weeks.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The <em>Dragon #134</em> and <em>Bestiary of Krynn</em> Aquatic Dragons are definitely separate species. The former, as you point out, is LE and has an electric cloud breath weapon.</p><p></p><p>The Dragonlance Aquatic Dragon is Chaotic Good (so is diametrically opposite in alignment) and has a cone of slowing cold as a breath weapon.</p><p></p><p>By "Dangerous Denizens", do you mean the Kenzer & Company book? If so, that's outside the Creature Catalog's bailiwick - we don't convert "missing monsters" from third-party sources.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The <em>MCA3 Amber</em> and <em>Dragon #38</em> Brown are different dragons.</p><p></p><p>There are way too many Brown Dragons, but I've boiled in down to five varieties, as follows. </p><p></p><p><strong>1: The Dragon #37 Brown Dragon</strong> - a forest dwelling neutral dragon that casts Druid spells and breathes fire or <em>faerie fire</em>. The Enworld conversion's called the Auburn Dragon.</p><p></p><p><strong>2: BECMI Amber/Brown Dragon</strong> from the <em>Rules Cyclopedia</em> and <em>D&D Master Set</em>.</p><p></p><p><strong>3: The Forgotten Realms Brown Dragon</strong> from the 2E <em>Monstrous Manual</em> and <em>FR10 Old Empires</em>. This desert dwelling dragon is updated to 3E in <em>Monsters of Faerûn</em> and appears to be the "default" Brown Dragon.</p><p><em><strong>3a: The AD&D Amber/Brown Dragon</strong></em> from the <em>2E Mystaran Monstrous Compendium</em> is practically the same as the "standard" Monstrous Manual Brown Dragon, so is very different from the BECMI Amber/Brown Dragon. Which is why I want to convert it!</p><p></p><p><strong>4: The MCA3 Amber Dragon</strong> - Another forest dwelling dragon, but one with a breath weapon that encases opponents in amber. Not the same as the Dragon #37 Brown Dragon.</p><p></p><p><strong>5: The 4E Brown Dragon</strong> - this desert-dwelling dragon from the Fourth Edition <em>Draconomicon: Chromatic Dragons</em> is the same as the 3E Sand Dragon in <em>Sandstorm</em>. It can fly, unlike the FR10 Brown Dragon and Dragon #134 Sand Dragon, both of which have similar shapes and habitat.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The <em>Dragon #62</em> Grey Dragon is not a species, but a unique individual called Rahab. We might get around to converting him as an Epic Level Monster sometime.</p><p></p><p>The <em>Dragon #146</em> Gray Dragon is its own species. It's not eligible for a CC conversion since it features in the Bestiary of Krynn. Unfortunately it doesn't get a proper writeup in that source (no paralysis effect on its breath weapon? The very idea!).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Mystaran Jade Dragon in the <em>Rules Cyclopedia, Master Set</em> and <em>MCA1</em> is the same dragon, as indicated by its flesh-rotting & disease causing breath weapon. We're missing the "disease" from the CC conversion but I'd like to add it in.</p><p></p><p>The MCA1 Neutral Jade Dragon is a different species with a sonic breath weapon.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>These appear to be separate species, since the <em>Dragon #134</em> version cannot fly and has a different breath weapon. I think we need to convert it for the CC.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, they are rather similar - both can wildshape and cast druid spells. There's more than a slightly different between their breath weapons though.</p><p></p><p>Hmm, our conversion of the MCA3 Amber seems to be missing the "magnetize" special attack of the original monster. We should consider adding that in. They also attack with a "beak-like prow" instead of biting with their teeth, but that can still be considered a bite attack in 3E terms - although it could get a mention in the conversion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 6230493, member: 57383"] Oh boy, this is going to get complicated. I've been trying to sort out the different D&D Dragons myself over the last few weeks. The [I]Dragon #134[/I] and [I]Bestiary of Krynn[/I] Aquatic Dragons are definitely separate species. The former, as you point out, is LE and has an electric cloud breath weapon. The Dragonlance Aquatic Dragon is Chaotic Good (so is diametrically opposite in alignment) and has a cone of slowing cold as a breath weapon. By "Dangerous Denizens", do you mean the Kenzer & Company book? If so, that's outside the Creature Catalog's bailiwick - we don't convert "missing monsters" from third-party sources. The [I]MCA3 Amber[/I] and [I]Dragon #38[/I] Brown are different dragons. There are way too many Brown Dragons, but I've boiled in down to five varieties, as follows. [B]1: The Dragon #37 Brown Dragon[/B] - a forest dwelling neutral dragon that casts Druid spells and breathes fire or [I]faerie fire[/I]. The Enworld conversion's called the Auburn Dragon. [B]2: BECMI Amber/Brown Dragon[/B] from the [I]Rules Cyclopedia[/I] and [I]D&D Master Set[/I]. [B]3: The Forgotten Realms Brown Dragon[/B] from the 2E [I]Monstrous Manual[/I] and [I]FR10 Old Empires[/I]. This desert dwelling dragon is updated to 3E in [I]Monsters of Faerûn[/I] and appears to be the "default" Brown Dragon. [I][B]3a: The AD&D Amber/Brown Dragon[/B][/I] from the [I]2E Mystaran Monstrous Compendium[/I] is practically the same as the "standard" Monstrous Manual Brown Dragon, so is very different from the BECMI Amber/Brown Dragon. Which is why I want to convert it! [B]4: The MCA3 Amber Dragon[/B] - Another forest dwelling dragon, but one with a breath weapon that encases opponents in amber. Not the same as the Dragon #37 Brown Dragon. [B]5: The 4E Brown Dragon[/B] - this desert-dwelling dragon from the Fourth Edition [I]Draconomicon: Chromatic Dragons[/I] is the same as the 3E Sand Dragon in [I]Sandstorm[/I]. It can fly, unlike the FR10 Brown Dragon and Dragon #134 Sand Dragon, both of which have similar shapes and habitat. The [I]Dragon #62[/I] Grey Dragon is not a species, but a unique individual called Rahab. We might get around to converting him as an Epic Level Monster sometime. The [I]Dragon #146[/I] Gray Dragon is its own species. It's not eligible for a CC conversion since it features in the Bestiary of Krynn. Unfortunately it doesn't get a proper writeup in that source (no paralysis effect on its breath weapon? The very idea!). The Mystaran Jade Dragon in the [I]Rules Cyclopedia, Master Set[/I] and [I]MCA1[/I] is the same dragon, as indicated by its flesh-rotting & disease causing breath weapon. We're missing the "disease" from the CC conversion but I'd like to add it in. The MCA1 Neutral Jade Dragon is a different species with a sonic breath weapon. These appear to be separate species, since the [I]Dragon #134[/I] version cannot fly and has a different breath weapon. I think we need to convert it for the CC. Yes, they are rather similar - both can wildshape and cast druid spells. There's more than a slightly different between their breath weapons though. Hmm, our conversion of the MCA3 Amber seems to be missing the "magnetize" special attack of the original monster. We should consider adding that in. They also attack with a "beak-like prow" instead of biting with their teeth, but that can still be considered a bite attack in 3E terms - although it could get a mention in the conversion. [/QUOTE]
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