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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8282210" data-attributes="member: 16814">I don't understand the connection you're making here.  Of course that's not dickish -- who said it might be?You seem to want room to say that players should make the best choices to succeed at the challenge but also should make some nebulous call for the story when it applies.  I read that as don't be a dick -- don't make moves that intentionally cause others to not have fun.  But, I'm not sure.  I'm not even sure what you're calling the story that players should be looking out for -- given past discussion I'm very unsure that it's any preconception of how things should play out, so I'm not sure how I, as a player, could make a call to better support such a thing other than not being a dick.  Should I make a call to do something I think would make for a funny tale after play but that utterly screws the current challenge?  I guess that's the clearest question I have for you about your table (I don't want your guesses about other tables).I had thought so, but I'm unclear how making choices to make the story better works with this.  These things conflict.  Unless we're back to you saying that making choices for a better story is skilled play, in which case I feel that there's a stubborn insistence on making this difficult.</blockquote>