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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bawylie" data-source="post: 8283655" data-attributes="member: 6776133">Interesting.If that’s the frame of mind, what is the relationship between “arbitrariness/unintended consequences” and acceptance of die rolls as valid content-generators?There’s an extent to which players have some effect on a die roll and maybe do what they can to improve their odds. Could that be seen as less arbitrary? Also, if the stakes of any pivot point are known to the players (who, let’s presume agree to proceed in acceptance of all potential outcomes), does the fact of their knowledge and acceptance of weirdo possibilities make those outcomes more legit?per one of the examples, if you’re playing as Son of Rorke and you’ve got these expectations of making a name for yourself and you still choose (knowingly) to put Son of Rorke in a situation whereby he’s merked by Klarg, is that a failure of any kind? Did the system fail? Did the player? Is there tension between expectation of outcome and actual outcome? Is it all arbitrary? And can it actually be arbitrary if you know ahead of time that there’s like a 10% chance of an undesirable outcome so you go on ahead and do it. Are “that sucks, but that’s how it goes” moments game system failures? Agenda failures? Or part of the game that we should reasonably expect to have to roll with?</blockquote>