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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8286238" data-attributes="member: 71699">It sounds like you might be rejecting the possibility of a singular definition, only multiple definitions. Is it down to each group?Might it be right to say something like -1. SP is SP-mode + SP-boardgame + SP-language2. In SP-mode, SP-boardgame-moves are resolved mechanically - by the rules - to solve SP-boardgame-problems3. In SP-mode, SP-language-moves are resolved by the DM to solve SP-language-problems4. Players shouldn't use SP-boardgame-moves to solve SP-language-problems: that is not playing in SP-mode5. SP is not all or nothing, a group might be doing somewhat-SP, and can play in SP-mode + other modes, such as SI-modeOr something else? I think 4. is particularly important. Several times now it has been explained that just rolling dice to achieve something isn't enough. But rolling dice to achieve something is okay given the right preconditions or context. So what are those preconditions? I assume we don't count the player sitting, looking puzzled for a moment, frowning, face lights-up with inspiration - &quot;I'll make a Persuasion check!&quot; - right? We want them to have paid attention and done some kind of work. But what is that kind of work!?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 8286238, member: 71699"] It sounds like you might be rejecting the possibility of a singular definition, only multiple definitions. Is it down to each group? Might it be right to say something like - 1. SP is SP-mode + SP-boardgame + SP-language 2. In SP-mode, SP-boardgame-moves are resolved mechanically - by the rules - to solve SP-boardgame-problems 3. In SP-mode, SP-language-moves are resolved by the DM to solve SP-language-problems 4. Players shouldn't use SP-boardgame-moves to solve SP-language-problems: that is not playing in SP-mode 5. SP is not all or nothing, a group might be doing somewhat-SP, and can play in SP-mode + other modes, such as SI-mode Or something else? I think 4. is particularly important. Several times now it has been explained that just rolling dice to achieve something isn't enough. But rolling dice to achieve something is okay given the right preconditions or context. So what are those preconditions? I assume we don't count the player sitting, looking puzzled for a moment, frowning, face lights-up with inspiration - "I'll make a Persuasion check!" - right? We want them to have paid attention and done some kind of work. But what is that kind of work!? [/QUOTE]

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