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Message: <blockquote data-quote="outsider" data-source="post: 5888231" data-attributes="member: 54690">Disagree.  Rogue(or sometimes Assassin) is my favorite class, and I really don't think it should be particularly good at standing still and trading blows with the enemy.  It should be a highly adept combatant when it's class abilities are used effectively(and things that completely shut out their class abilities should be extremely rare).  Setting up sneak attacks/backstabs is what makes the class fun.And if a cleric can fight decently without spells, once spells come into play it'll most likely be outfighting the fighter, which should not be happening.These classes should be as roughly as good as the fighter when they use their class abilities/spells to the fullest.</blockquote>