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<blockquote data-quote="Sylrae" data-source="post: 4525474" data-attributes="member: 48520"><p>I dont have a problem with bluntness, you just seemend to be being intentionally condescending and arrogant, so I decided to call you on it. If that's not what you were doing, than fine.</p><p></p><p> I tend to confront people when they're being rude toward me, whether it really offends me or not.</p><p></p><p>This would sortof solve the issue. A wizard rogue, wizard fighter, wizard/noncaster would still be a pretty crappy character. in comparison. They would be versatile, but I dont think the versatility would make up for the power loss. it wouldnt be quite enough versatility. following your logic though, not all caster levels should stack. divine classes wouldnt be able to logically stack with arcane. clerics get their power from a god. druids from nature, arcane casters from within themselves.</p><p></p><p>Yes, the eldritch jolt wasn't my best idea. With a straight wizard, and 3.0e DR, the ability wasnt too powerful, but it was still slightly too good. and as you pointed out (repeatedly) if you misinterpret the ability to be meant to overcome DR completely (which it was never meant to do) then it is WAY too powerful.</p><p></p><p>I have an idea about that, I'll get to it at the end.</p><p></p><p>rofl. Too beefy as in too powerful. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Gestalt is a completely different can of worms. and Gestalt removes the ability to freely multiclass, makes La&ECL races unviable, and would not solve the problem in the least, unless all characters were caster + noncaster.</p><p></p><p> fighter abilities, taken at low levels, stay useful throughout the course of advancement. spells dont stay useful all the way up. magic missile is not particularly useful at level 15.</p><p></p><p>I read your posts. You seem to ignore the issue. of come up with solutions that dont solve the problem.</p><p></p><p>See my last section</p><p></p><p>You seemed to be being arrogant and belittling. Just the odd snarky remark you make mostly.</p><p></p><p>Lol. yes I feel terrible. lol. I meant that you dismiss the idea, even dismiss the problem, without addressing it. Or claim the problem doesn't exist in the first place.</p><p></p><p>I just disagree with denying that the problem even exists when its mentioned, and dont consider it a useful way to get to a solution.</p><p></p><p> Again, if you take a wip rule (eldritch jolt) and misinterpret what it was supposed to do in the first place (granted it didnt accomplish the goal as it was which was why i wanted suggestion) then of course it will be sub par. Your 'solution' to the caster multiclass issue doesnt solve the problem. it's yet another band-aid. it you made the DC be based on all class levels (which you outright stated you would disagree with) that would have solved the problem.</p><p></p><p>'Your crap is far crappier than my crap will ever crap.'</p><p>That's got to be the most idiotic insult I've ever heard.</p><p></p><p>When I put forth ideas that need work, I say they need work. I say they need suggestion. I haven't been throwing insults veiled or otherwise. I said you weren't helping solve the problems, coming up with solutions that don't address the problems, and speaking in an arrogant and insulting manner. </p><p></p><p>Nobody want's you to play 'wet nurse' or sugar coat things, I was just commenting on you being insulting, unnecessarily. If you want me to 'show where or how to support my point' I can make a list of quotes if its absolutely necessary.</p><p></p><p>In regard to the Idea of monsters & CR. Maybe the best idea would be to turn each monster into a class. Make the number of levels in the class be the same as the CR of the monster (even in the cases where you gain more than one HD per level), and adjust all the abilities accordingly. There are some class/race calculators available online. they aren't perfect but they definitely help.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sylrae, post: 4525474, member: 48520"] I dont have a problem with bluntness, you just seemend to be being intentionally condescending and arrogant, so I decided to call you on it. If that's not what you were doing, than fine. I tend to confront people when they're being rude toward me, whether it really offends me or not. This would sortof solve the issue. A wizard rogue, wizard fighter, wizard/noncaster would still be a pretty crappy character. in comparison. They would be versatile, but I dont think the versatility would make up for the power loss. it wouldnt be quite enough versatility. following your logic though, not all caster levels should stack. divine classes wouldnt be able to logically stack with arcane. clerics get their power from a god. druids from nature, arcane casters from within themselves. Yes, the eldritch jolt wasn't my best idea. With a straight wizard, and 3.0e DR, the ability wasnt too powerful, but it was still slightly too good. and as you pointed out (repeatedly) if you misinterpret the ability to be meant to overcome DR completely (which it was never meant to do) then it is WAY too powerful. I have an idea about that, I'll get to it at the end. rofl. Too beefy as in too powerful. Gestalt is a completely different can of worms. and Gestalt removes the ability to freely multiclass, makes La&ECL races unviable, and would not solve the problem in the least, unless all characters were caster + noncaster. fighter abilities, taken at low levels, stay useful throughout the course of advancement. spells dont stay useful all the way up. magic missile is not particularly useful at level 15. I read your posts. You seem to ignore the issue. of come up with solutions that dont solve the problem. See my last section You seemed to be being arrogant and belittling. Just the odd snarky remark you make mostly. Lol. yes I feel terrible. lol. I meant that you dismiss the idea, even dismiss the problem, without addressing it. Or claim the problem doesn't exist in the first place. I just disagree with denying that the problem even exists when its mentioned, and dont consider it a useful way to get to a solution. Again, if you take a wip rule (eldritch jolt) and misinterpret what it was supposed to do in the first place (granted it didnt accomplish the goal as it was which was why i wanted suggestion) then of course it will be sub par. Your 'solution' to the caster multiclass issue doesnt solve the problem. it's yet another band-aid. it you made the DC be based on all class levels (which you outright stated you would disagree with) that would have solved the problem. 'Your crap is far crappier than my crap will ever crap.' That's got to be the most idiotic insult I've ever heard. When I put forth ideas that need work, I say they need work. I say they need suggestion. I haven't been throwing insults veiled or otherwise. I said you weren't helping solve the problems, coming up with solutions that don't address the problems, and speaking in an arrogant and insulting manner. Nobody want's you to play 'wet nurse' or sugar coat things, I was just commenting on you being insulting, unnecessarily. If you want me to 'show where or how to support my point' I can make a list of quotes if its absolutely necessary. In regard to the Idea of monsters & CR. Maybe the best idea would be to turn each monster into a class. Make the number of levels in the class be the same as the CR of the monster (even in the cases where you gain more than one HD per level), and adjust all the abilities accordingly. There are some class/race calculators available online. they aren't perfect but they definitely help. [/QUOTE]
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