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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sir Brennen" data-source="post: 3091288" data-attributes="member: 553">Even at low levels, this means the defender will often be in a situation where the will only be successful on a natural 20 (edit: in opposed rolls, ties go to the defender; the tumble roll has to actually be exceeded by the Dex check.) If I'm an experienced warrior, I don't think it would be that hard to impale the twirling gymast on something pointy in mid-air. See the example below.Try second level, if they're a dedicated human.Dex 18 +4Tumble Ranks +55 Ranks in Jump: +2 Synergy BonusFeat: Skill Focus [Tumble] +3Feat: Acrobatic +2That's a total Tumble skill of 16 (obviously automatically makes a DC 15), average check 26, so 65% of the time an opponent has no chance to beat the Tumble check opposed by a Dex check (and that's assuming an 18 Dex for both characters.) For the remaing 35%, the defender still has to roll very high to beat the Tumble check.Only one added roll really - the opponent's "check" roll.But how about this idea I've been thinking of:The opponent gets an AoO vs. a tumbler as normal. First, have the tumbler make his check. The amount he beats his own AC by on the check is applied as a penalty to the AoO. Normal modifiers to the Tumble Check are applied, and dodge bonuses (such as from the Dodge and Mobility feats, or a dwarf's bonus against giants) are bonuses to the check, not AC, for the purposes of tumbling only. Tumbling through the opponent's square incurs a -10 penalty to the check. (Kinda steep, though. With this variant, I'd be tempted to make it only a -5.)</blockquote>

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