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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JoeBlank" data-source="post: 866030" data-attributes="member: 1806">Now I'm getting even more confused. Fun!"Attack forms" could also mean special attacks, such as poison, rage, stampede, and others. I think a reasonable conclusion here is that Alter Self can be used to gain a simple attack in the 1d3 to 1d4 range, such as claws, bite, etc.But on the more than one change at time I am still in need of further clarification, and will perhaps just have to ask my DM to rule. I interpret the following from the Sage:"Q: Can you have more than one change in effect at the same time (like wings and gills)? A: Yes."to mean that with one casting of the spell you can have more than one change in effect. If not, he should have clarified by responding "Yes, but you would have to cast Alter Self multiple times to effect multiple changes."So how does this jive with the related question and response:"Q: Can you make more than one alteration (wings and gills and claws etc.) each time you cast the spell? A: No, once change at a time."?This could mean one change per casting of the spell, i.e. only one "effect" per casting, or it could mean you can only change to one form per casting of the spell, but that form can have more than one effect, as per the earlier response.And what about effects that are singular in nature, such as only claws, but could certainly grant more than one game-effect, in this case a claw attack as well as a bonus to climb?Thanks for the debate, it is very helpful on a spell I have not yet used. Keep up the good work. When all is said and done, I will probably direct my DM's attention to this thread and see how he rules.</blockquote>

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