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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 872134" data-attributes="member: 6239">You know, I completely missed that line.  Thanks, this spell is even better than I thought.  And I do see disguise as a dog to be perfectly reasonable.  It is use of the spell for disguise, same as polymorph.  Polymorph gives you so much more though that it really does deserve it's higher level spot.Just as an example, let's compare Alter Self to my four favorite uses of polymorph: healing, disguise attack form, and defensive form.*Healing: no contest, Alter Self doesn't, Poly does.*Disguise: seems pretty similar to me.  If I want to sneak into a drow city, Alter Self would only have the problem of duration (a significant problem, mind you).*Attack form: lets take a common one - fire giant.31 str, don't even try it with Alter Self+8 natural armor, not a chance with Alter Self21 con, not AlterReach, this is argueable, but I would probably say no.Size penalty, Alter only goes up to 50% larger than you currently are, and I would probably say that doesn't change size class.  Alter self is actually better than Poly.*Defensive form:  again, a favorite of mine is the Booggie from MMII (a small fey)21 dex, not Alter+n natural armor, not Altersize class small, I might let that go, since 50% of your current size is more or less the definition of the next size down.In almost all cases, I would rather have Poly.  This is how I know that Poly is higher level spell.</blockquote>