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<blockquote data-quote="FANGO" data-source="post: 198663" data-attributes="member: 2368">It seems to me that low-light vision would be gettable with alter self, since many animals have it and such, but I can't think of anything &quot;natural&quot; that has darkvision (I'm probably wrong, but I just can't think of anything that does right now, even giant owls, which are not natural and are supposed to have better eyes than regular owls, only have &quot;improved low-light vision&quot;).&nbsp; Also, low-light vision isn't very unbalancing to have, I would say, whereas darkvision may be (if you ask some Nazi DM-type...I personally don't care about it for that reason, but we'll get on to why I don't like it), and also there is already a spell to take care of darkvision so you ought to give priority to that.On a side note, I would probably not allow the blindsight ability of bats to be gained through alter self, because this would require a substantial reworking of the brain in ways that modern science still is not quite sure of (there have been numerous experiments conducted with bats showing the complexity of their echolocation systems...it's really quite spectacular to see some of the things that these critters can do), whereas with low-light vision it's probably just a matter of shoving a few more rods in there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FANGO, post: 198663, member: 2368"] It seems to me that low-light vision would be gettable with alter self, since many animals have it and such, but I can't think of anything "natural" that has darkvision (I'm probably wrong, but I just can't think of anything that does right now, even giant owls, which are not natural and are supposed to have better eyes than regular owls, only have "improved low-light vision"). Also, low-light vision isn't very unbalancing to have, I would say, whereas darkvision may be (if you ask some Nazi DM-type...I personally don't care about it for that reason, but we'll get on to why I don't like it), and also there is already a spell to take care of darkvision so you ought to give priority to that. On a side note, I would probably not allow the blindsight ability of bats to be gained through alter self, because this would require a substantial reworking of the brain in ways that modern science still is not quite sure of (there have been numerous experiments conducted with bats showing the complexity of their echolocation systems...it's really quite spectacular to see some of the things that these critters can do), whereas with low-light vision it's probably just a matter of shoving a few more rods in there. [/QUOTE]

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