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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MostlyHarmless42" data-source="post: 9825661" data-attributes="member: 6845520">My fundamental issue with using Dexterity saves for firearms is that they completely discount armor and make it so that character who wear heavier armor are less like to succeed in avoiding them. Unless you are firing plasma or lasers, or are using modern bullets (which can NOT be manufactured in medieval settings and which case you also should be adding materials like Kevlar, ceramic plating, modern body armor), guns do NOT just peel through armor. They literally tested full platemail and breastplates by firing a flintlock pistol at it at point blank range, and armor was large phased out due to its expensive nature and the ease of use with firearms compared to training infantry to use bows, crossbows, or traditional arms.The other issue is that even what I just typed is a gross oversimplification compress a literal thousand year arms race. Full plate and flint lock weapons did not just magically pop up overnight, and by the time of the end of the samurai (literally the same time as the end of the American Civil War) guns used there were vastly different than the ones used even 100 years before that, much less the ancient Chinese rockets. Now, historical preamble aside, I'd suggest giving those wearing armor a boost to their Dexterity saves equal to the amount their armor provides (or at least half if that is too much a bonus).I'd also suggest you take a look at the modern firearms in the Dungeonmaster's guide. They already use a Dexterity saves (albeit flat DC 15) with the Burst Fire option, though again, these are considered modern weapons with modern ammunition. Frankly I'm also annoyed with the DMG for not adding a side blurb in this section talking about reflavoring armor as modern armor or protective clothing for modern games, because WotC should know dang well that a large portion of their player base is pedantic enough that if such a blurb isn't written in the book they'll never consider/allow it, but that's kind of tangential to the topic of this thread.</blockquote>

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