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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tormyr" data-source="post: 9825716" data-attributes="member: 6776887">At the risk of: Hey, here's something I found on Google. [MEDIA=reddit]ArmsandArmor/comments/175ovqt[/MEDIA]It is fairly easy to find multiple examples of people indicating that very early firearms defeating plate, at least at the short ranges used for Pathfinder and D&D firearms. Pathfinder handled firearms by making a ranged attack against Touch AC, which ignored the AC bonus from the armor. A Dexterity saving throw is the nearest thing in 5e to Touch AC.Discounting fantasy armor vs firearms has precedents in both history and prior game versions. If anything, the current method that 5e uses for firearms is further from reality, but it works better within the design of 5e.The DMG only gives a saving throw for burst fire because it is over an area. I also am underwhelmed with firearms in the DMG. Although my personal beef is that they missed out on giving the shotgun the graze weapon mastery. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>