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<blockquote data-quote="Albert_Fish" data-source="post: 663767" data-attributes="member: 1780">Both ideas, the&nbsp;&nbsp; Soviet&nbsp; victory&nbsp; or the&nbsp; FAscist&nbsp; victory&nbsp; are&nbsp; both&nbsp; great ideasand you can treat the&nbsp; American subversives the same.&nbsp; The US&nbsp; agitators&nbsp; Would be&nbsp; Ideologically based.&nbsp; Can you imagine it!&nbsp;&nbsp; Red Amerika is&nbsp; opposed by underground leaders such&nbsp; as&nbsp; Ronald Reagan and Milton Friedman who&nbsp; recall fallen heroes such as&nbsp; Ayn Rand!&nbsp; It&nbsp; would be a&nbsp;&nbsp; guerilla war of&nbsp;&nbsp; ideologies, perhaps even religion (yes&nbsp; religion would&nbsp; work&nbsp; with&nbsp; both sets of&nbsp; alt. history, hitler&nbsp;&nbsp; planned to&nbsp; eliminate all Religion as did&nbsp;&nbsp; Lenin/Stalin)!&nbsp;&nbsp; Check out Harry Turtledove's World At War series or&nbsp;&nbsp; Fatherland.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sorry i&nbsp; ama big&nbsp; alt-history nut.&nbsp;&nbsp; Why not throw ina&nbsp; little&nbsp; extra&nbsp; Alt. history as well to&nbsp; explain&nbsp; how the US lost.&nbsp; I&nbsp; am&nbsp; thinking about the&nbsp;&nbsp; Great War series by Turtledove or&nbsp;&nbsp; even Harry harrison &quot;Stars and Stripes&quot; series wherein the&nbsp; South&nbsp; remains independent&nbsp; from the&nbsp; North.&nbsp;&nbsp; This would have&nbsp;&nbsp; severaly hampered any war efforts in&nbsp; WWII and in different ways&nbsp; depending on which&nbsp; author&nbsp; you prefer.this&nbsp; &nbsp; is&nbsp; great.&nbsp; &nbsp; let me&nbsp; know if any idea&nbsp; strikes you.&nbsp;&nbsp; heck one way the Germans coul&nbsp; have&nbsp; won&nbsp; with&nbsp; out any prior&nbsp; Alt.history would be to&nbsp; Follow Fortschen's&nbsp; idea wherein Hitler&nbsp;&nbsp; Develops a a Flying Wing ( the only attempt at a real German heavy bomber) but&nbsp; also allow&nbsp; Heisenburg to&nbsp; develop THE Bomb! Perhaps&nbsp; NYC is nothing but a&nbsp; small&nbsp; sea.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Albert_Fish, post: 663767, member: 1780"] Both ideas, the Soviet victory or the FAscist victory are both great ideas and you can treat the American subversives the same. The US agitators Would be Ideologically based. Can you imagine it! Red Amerika is opposed by underground leaders such as Ronald Reagan and Milton Friedman who recall fallen heroes such as Ayn Rand! It would be a guerilla war of ideologies, perhaps even religion (yes religion would work with both sets of alt. history, hitler planned to eliminate all Religion as did Lenin/Stalin)! Check out Harry Turtledove's World At War series or Fatherland. Sorry i ama big alt-history nut. Why not throw ina little extra Alt. history as well to explain how the US lost. I am thinking about the Great War series by Turtledove or even Harry harrison "Stars and Stripes" series wherein the South remains independent from the North. This would have severaly hampered any war efforts in WWII and in different ways depending on which author you prefer. this is great. let me know if any idea strikes you. heck one way the Germans coul have won with out any prior Alt.history would be to Follow Fortschen's idea wherein Hitler Develops a a Flying Wing ( the only attempt at a real German heavy bomber) but also allow Heisenburg to develop THE Bomb! Perhaps NYC is nothing but a small sea. [/QUOTE]

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