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<blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 1614595" data-attributes="member: 3051">If you artificially raise one area of magic, such as casting time, caster level, or saving throw, the players will ALWAYS find those few spells unaffected.&nbsp; Caster level?&nbsp; True Strike.&nbsp; Saving throw?&nbsp; Cure Light Wounds.&nbsp; And so on.I'd suggest some more generic ones, penalties that don't depend on the specifics of the spell.&nbsp; For instance:1&gt; In addition to the usual costs, all spells deal 2 points of damage to the caster per level of the spell.&nbsp; Nothing can reduce this damage.&nbsp; Anyone who falls unconscious as the result of this damage goes into a coma, and won't wake up after being healed above zero.&nbsp; (Natural healing will eventually bring them out of it, though.)2&gt; All spells are less predictable.&nbsp; Every time the player wants to cast a spell, roll 1d6.&nbsp; On a 4, 5, or 6 it works as normal.&nbsp; On a 2 or 3 it fizzles.&nbsp; On a 1, it has some negative effect, DM's discretion.&nbsp; (If you want this to be less random, make it a skill; DC = 15 + 2*spell level, failing by 5 or more causes the negative effect.)3&gt; Make Material components matter by making them rare and/or expensive.&nbsp; Instead of a lump of bat guano, it has to be a lump of Consecrated Vampire Bat Guano harvested on Midwinter's Day, costing 100gp per use if store-bought.&nbsp; The player could always go collect it himself, of course.&nbsp; Heh.&nbsp; Heh.I'm sure you could come up with more of these.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Spatzimaus, post: 1614595, member: 3051"] If you artificially raise one area of magic, such as casting time, caster level, or saving throw, the players will ALWAYS find those few spells unaffected. Caster level? [i]True Strike.[/i] Saving throw? [i]Cure Light Wounds.[/i] And so on. I'd suggest some more generic ones, penalties that don't depend on the specifics of the spell. For instance: 1> In addition to the usual costs, all spells deal 2 points of damage to the caster per level of the spell. Nothing can reduce this damage. Anyone who falls unconscious as the result of this damage goes into a coma, and won't wake up after being healed above zero. (Natural healing will eventually bring them out of it, though.) 2> All spells are less predictable. Every time the player wants to cast a spell, roll 1d6. On a 4, 5, or 6 it works as normal. On a 2 or 3 it fizzles. On a 1, it has some negative effect, DM's discretion. (If you want this to be less random, make it a skill; DC = 15 + 2*spell level, failing by 5 or more causes the negative effect.) 3> Make Material components matter by making them rare and/or expensive. Instead of a lump of bat guano, it has to be a lump of Consecrated Vampire Bat Guano harvested on Midwinter's Day, costing 100gp per use if store-bought. The player could always go collect it himself, of course. Heh. Heh. I'm sure you could come up with more of these. [/QUOTE]

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