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<blockquote data-quote="index" data-source="post: 1649359" data-attributes="member: 21195"><p><strong>ability scores</strong></p><p></p><p>Vrecknidj wrote:</p><p></p><p>> Here's what I did for tieflings in a high-powered campaign that I</p><p>> run. I don't have a hang-up about using +1 or -1 to ability scores,</p><p>> it all comes out in the wash with other adjustments and with</p><p>> increases every 4 levels. Besides, I use point buy. Anyway, here's</p><p>> what's in my house rule book of rules.</p><p></p><p>I've never understood the big deal about racial +1/-1 to</p><p>ability scores either. Sure, it very similar to +2/-0 at</p><p>1st level if there are a huge variety of PC races, but</p><p>arranging your ability scores that way makes later</p><p>improvement more difficult.</p><p></p><p>Picking race BEFORE rolling ability scores, keep them where</p><p>you roll them, would eliminate all game balance arguments</p><p>about +1/-1 races, IMO. Rolling before picking race ensures</p><p>that 90% of PCs will be exaggerated racial stereotypes.</p><p></p><p>> Any two tieflings might have different ability score modifiers.</p><p>> Choose from among the following options:</p><p></p><p>Choice is good. I've often thought that all plane-touched</p><p>should be a single race, mechanically, with different</p><p>choices available to the character.</p><p></p><p>> +2 Str AND (-2 Dex and -2 to one mental stat; OR -2 Con and -2 to</p><p>> one mental stat; OR -1 to all three mental stats)</p><p></p><p>This, I have often had a beef with. The idea that STR is</p><p>the most valuable ability score. No way. It is WAY too</p><p>easy to buff any of the physical ability scores with</p><p>polymorph at mid to high levels. If orcs are supposedly</p><p>balanced with +4 STR, -2 INT, -2 WIS, and -2 CHA, where are</p><p>all the +0 LA -4 STR, +2 INT, +2 WIS, +2 CHA races I'd like</p><p>to play?</p><p></p><p>STR is only that valuable in a game with a stingy DM who is</p><p>going to still have you at 6th level after two years of real</p><p>time, and won't let you trade any of the dozens of looted +1</p><p>scimitars for useful equipment.</p><p></p><p>IMO, INT is most valuable to a 1st level character (class</p><p>allowing), because unlike every other ability score</p><p>modifier, the skill points for increased INT are never</p><p>retroactive.</p><p></p><p>--index, who REALLY should go to bed now</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="index, post: 1649359, member: 21195"] [b]ability scores[/b] Vrecknidj wrote: > Here's what I did for tieflings in a high-powered campaign that I > run. I don't have a hang-up about using +1 or -1 to ability scores, > it all comes out in the wash with other adjustments and with > increases every 4 levels. Besides, I use point buy. Anyway, here's > what's in my house rule book of rules. I've never understood the big deal about racial +1/-1 to ability scores either. Sure, it very similar to +2/-0 at 1st level if there are a huge variety of PC races, but arranging your ability scores that way makes later improvement more difficult. Picking race BEFORE rolling ability scores, keep them where you roll them, would eliminate all game balance arguments about +1/-1 races, IMO. Rolling before picking race ensures that 90% of PCs will be exaggerated racial stereotypes. > Any two tieflings might have different ability score modifiers. > Choose from among the following options: Choice is good. I've often thought that all plane-touched should be a single race, mechanically, with different choices available to the character. > +2 Str AND (-2 Dex and -2 to one mental stat; OR -2 Con and -2 to > one mental stat; OR -1 to all three mental stats) This, I have often had a beef with. The idea that STR is the most valuable ability score. No way. It is WAY too easy to buff any of the physical ability scores with polymorph at mid to high levels. If orcs are supposedly balanced with +4 STR, -2 INT, -2 WIS, and -2 CHA, where are all the +0 LA -4 STR, +2 INT, +2 WIS, +2 CHA races I'd like to play? STR is only that valuable in a game with a stingy DM who is going to still have you at 6th level after two years of real time, and won't let you trade any of the dozens of looted +1 scimitars for useful equipment. IMO, INT is most valuable to a 1st level character (class allowing), because unlike every other ability score modifier, the skill points for increased INT are never retroactive. --index, who REALLY should go to bed now [/QUOTE]
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