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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Inari" data-source="post: 1168393" data-attributes="member: 14554">Heh... outdamaging then ehh? Load of bull****I've very VERY often witnessed how the barbarian can outdamage the rogue on a regular basis...Recently, right before me and a friend of mine started a session, we took a simple one-on duel... I had a lvl 4 rogue/lvl 8 unfettered dual-wielding two dire devanian bastard swords +2... I had a +17/+12 to hit with each weapon, meaning I got 4 attacks, and 4 sneak attacks, that summing up to 1d10+7 weapon (1d10+5 offhand). And this was against a barbarian6/berserker6 simpleton with a greataxe +4... he got to go first (just for fun) and mauled me down for 90 something damage in three strikes... meaning I had something like 3 left in HP... fair enough, my turn, and he allowed me to get my sneak attacks (just for kicks). Guess what... I hit with all of my weapons, scoring 3 critical hits, and 12d6 sneak attack... even with that, I was just able to get 110 damage. After that, I forfeited, as I had no hopes of surviving to the next round...In my opinion, the rogues are good for skills... not much more... They have an impressive list of abilities, but they can't come close to what the barbarian has in damage output, or damage input (those things can take a scary amount of damage before they die... I saw him face up to a hill giant with 4 barbarian levels, wielding a two handed weapon with power attack... scary stuff I tell you! And he managed to withstand 5 hits, before taking the giant down (I helped, but still... power!)).So don't you dare to argue that the rogue's SA is unfair... even with dual-wielding, the rogues aren't that scary when opposed by the barbarian...</blockquote>

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