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Message: <blockquote data-quote="hirou" data-source="post: 6322672" data-attributes="member: 6776023">Long-delayed update:In the end we run with house rule that all firearms except grenades get +3 power bonus to hit; this makes secondary effects on ranged attacks much more dangerous (and actually buffs a lot one of the most UP classes, seeker). They retain reload standard and high crit, but loose brutal 2. The reload time can be shortened with fast loader to move action and further to minor action with specific weapon enchant (don't have the char sheet ready, so can't dig up the enchant name). It's a power bonus, so it doesn't stack with i.e. warlord buffs (which would otherwise skyrocket the firearms accuracy to "only miss on 1"), this gives party gunslinger more chances to roll damage while simultaneously encouraging taking actions to optimize his battle behavior with multiple weapons, reload timing and Quick Draw.Other problem I ran into is that grenades as written are, honestly, broken. 4ed has many powers/feats combos which activate on a hit/miss of initial attack. I.e. Careful attack+True arrow style feat allows to make a ranged basic attack if the initial attack misses, in exchange for granting combat advantage on attacker for a turn. Now imagine that initial grenade missed, say, 3 targets in burst 1... suddenly there're 3 more grenades incoming. Somehow. Turning any ranged attack into burst 1 which also deals half damage on miss basically means that every encounter ranged power is almost as powerful as a daily, all for measly 10 gp.I tried a system when individual grenades should be "fine-tuned" for specific powers (with a help of technologist), so, say, Twin Strike attack with a grenade may only involve specifically prepared grenade with double warhead, with price of "tuning" dependent on the level of the power used (one fifth of the equivalent magic item price for daily powers, one tenth for encounter powers). This leads to some balanced math, but it's incredibly frustrating  to keep count of each and every grenade, so now I'm trying much easier scheme: each grenade attack adds secondary attack, burst 1 centered on primary target/square, deal the same damage on hit, half on miss with no additional effects. This still increases the damage output a lot, but at least breaks some of the more ridiculous-looking combos my players discovered.PS: just to give you a picture, our gunslinger carries fast-loading shotgun, his beloved rifled musket Maria (with "duct-taped" silencer which he stole off poor Burton and which misfires every second time), two pistols and metric ton of grenades. Just in case. And all non-lethal, of course.</blockquote>

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