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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 5274280">If you're arguing that hyper-masculinity is not also hyper sexuality, then you're fighting a losing battle.  Those broad shoulders, that muscled chest, those strong arms and legs, they're all just as sexual as those wide hips, large breasts and full lips.  They may not be perhaps YOUR particular tastes, but if you look around at what generally defines a man sexually, it's a variety of large muscles, a strong jaw and so on.  Look at women's romance novels(generally exclusively written by women), you don't see scrawny little nerds there on the cover, you seen Bendar the Barbarian! or Jacob the biker!  or Frank the gunslinger.  Hyper-masculinity IS hyper-sexuality for men, you cannot separate the two.  If you need an example with better visuals, watch an Old Spice commercial.I'm breaking this apart for two reasons, which I'll get to below.This is something I think the "games sexualized women!" argument often fails to grasp, in that there are a wide variety of what women should look like given the situation.  Seductresses such as witches, rogues, and con-women have very sexualized bodies because they are playing to sexist ideas of men, that men want large breasts, long legs, and eventually sex.  Barbarians may be busty, but this is not a given, many barbarian women are only slightly feminized versions of barbarian men.  They retain many traditional feminine features, but combine it with traditional masculine ones.  Making for tall, gruff, muscular, "bear-your-face-in, then have sex" women.  You often see this in female orcs, trolls, and other non-human races.But that's not really equal because what makes a person ideal for sex is different for men than it is for women.  A sweaty, dirty, blood covered muscle-barbarian coming into his cave from the cold with the carcass of a lion on his back indicates readiness for sex just as much as you described for women above.Because those features aren't sexually attractive on men.The whole reason that these stylized bodies are considered "bad" is because they are unreachable goals for women.  At the very heart of the matter, it is telling girls that they will only be acceptable if they look like this, and that is bad.  The SAME is true for depictions of men.  It is telling young boys and men that this is how men need to be in order to be acceptable.  If you are not this then you are wrong and you are bad.  And that is equally as bad.</blockquote>

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