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<blockquote data-quote="ShinHakkaider" data-source="post: 5276435" data-attributes="member: 9213"><p>I've used this example before but just to piggy back off of what you used as an excellent example: D&D at least when I first started playing back in 1982 was and in may ways still is a very white male oriented game / hobby. I'm a black male. Yet despite not seeing anything that remotely resembling me I still wanted to play D&D. </p><p></p><p>One of the reasons that I liked 3x was that the art depicted more than just white male (humans) as adventurers. Granted I still have no idea what race Redgar was but he wasn't the homogenous depiction of the strapping white guy with sword and armor or staff. </p><p></p><p>To bring it back to gender and away from race, I do think, very surprisingly, that there hasn't been as many embarrassing depictions of race than there have of gender. The thing is there are depictions of sweaty strapping bare chested d00ds with muscles wielding their swords and such. And to say that that's not sexualized and exploitive is frankly making excuses for a double standard. I'm sure that there are gay guys who are looking at the art and liking it the same way there are lesbians who are looking at the cheesecake and liking it. </p><p></p><p>Not too mention that there are straight guys looking at that same bare chested d00d and going "That guy is the personification of AWESOME! I want a body like that!" Does that mean that their self esteem is damaged? I know that when I was a kid I didn't want a body like Schwarzenegger, I wanted a body like Bruce Lee. </p><p></p><p>I guess what I'm saying is the same thing that everyone else is saying. Everyone's threshold for what is offensive is different. I'm sure if D&D were full of sambo and mammy images I wouldn't be on this board right now either. So it's a little complicated in terms of the sexualization of these images. I like them, to a point. But I dont like being told that I'm some sort of whoremaster or deviant for appreciating the female form. I'm a straight guy, I like women. All the more I dont see anyone admonishing lesbians for enjoying the same things that I like. If you're gonna lace me, you sure as hell better be lacing into them as well...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ShinHakkaider, post: 5276435, member: 9213"] I've used this example before but just to piggy back off of what you used as an excellent example: D&D at least when I first started playing back in 1982 was and in may ways still is a very white male oriented game / hobby. I'm a black male. Yet despite not seeing anything that remotely resembling me I still wanted to play D&D. One of the reasons that I liked 3x was that the art depicted more than just white male (humans) as adventurers. Granted I still have no idea what race Redgar was but he wasn't the homogenous depiction of the strapping white guy with sword and armor or staff. To bring it back to gender and away from race, I do think, very surprisingly, that there hasn't been as many embarrassing depictions of race than there have of gender. The thing is there are depictions of sweaty strapping bare chested d00ds with muscles wielding their swords and such. And to say that that's not sexualized and exploitive is frankly making excuses for a double standard. I'm sure that there are gay guys who are looking at the art and liking it the same way there are lesbians who are looking at the cheesecake and liking it. Not too mention that there are straight guys looking at that same bare chested d00d and going "That guy is the personification of AWESOME! I want a body like that!" Does that mean that their self esteem is damaged? I know that when I was a kid I didn't want a body like Schwarzenegger, I wanted a body like Bruce Lee. I guess what I'm saying is the same thing that everyone else is saying. Everyone's threshold for what is offensive is different. I'm sure if D&D were full of sambo and mammy images I wouldn't be on this board right now either. So it's a little complicated in terms of the sexualization of these images. I like them, to a point. But I dont like being told that I'm some sort of whoremaster or deviant for appreciating the female form. I'm a straight guy, I like women. All the more I dont see anyone admonishing lesbians for enjoying the same things that I like. If you're gonna lace me, you sure as hell better be lacing into them as well... [/QUOTE]
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