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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 236599" data-attributes="member: 326">Hello again - I hope this one doesn't get eaten! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I had a look but haven't studied it in depth - if I have any specific questions I'll respond in that thread. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I remember the Wound System in the original Star Wars RPG (not sure if d20 Star Wars uses the same method?) - it was pretty heroic.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Exactly, so you agree it should absorb damage in most cases.As are shields.True, but they are much lighter than, say Platemail or Chainmail. As such they encumber less. So you are trading speed for protection.Your best bet is not to get into the fight in the first place. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I don't agree. We used armour as damage reduction for years in our 2nd Ed. game and it worked easily enough. On that point we are in total agreement. However, theres no reason why it shouldn't scale infinitely if they had got the basics right from the beginning. The Sphinx in Dragon #297 has STR 280.A Storm Giant should deliver 64 times more damage than a normal human. Actually its just plain physics. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I agree its arbitrary, but once you know how much damage a man swinging a baseball bat (club) should deal the rest must surely be extrapolated from that; based on some sort of logic!? E=mc2But thats added damage from weapon specialisation - not strength. Though theoretically it could be incorporated as a damage multiplier rather than a bonus.Unlikely. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> My argument is that Hit Dice should be divorced from BAB/Weapon Skill.Yes, but why should it - other than as an arbitrary marker of an already incongruous system.Hit Dice for monsters should represent mass not skill.Class Levels should represent skill not mass.Yet every creature that does advance in Hit Dice does get bigger!Yes they are... ...they are built differently though. Theres no point comparing a Tiger to a Human. Try comparing a Tiger to a wild Cat. Or a Shark to other Fish. Or a Hill Giant to a Human.I would seriously doubt that Tigers have faster reflexes than humans anyway!But they do need precision to hit you.Refer again to the Lord of the Rings battle with the Cave Troll. Not overtly clumsy, but certainly less dextrous than the average human. Obviously it can hit targets however, just because it has a lot of Hit Dice doesn't mean it should have a high BAB. If anything; it is as skilled as a 1st-level commoner (modified by the Cave Troll/Hill Giants Experience) and if you take account of lower dexterity and size penalties (which also probably need modification) then it should actually hit you less often than a 1st-level commoner with a baseball bat.Being able to simply swing a club does not make you a skilled combatant though. Also its unlikely the velocity of the club would be greater than one swung by a human - however the mass of the club (x8) is proportional to the kinetic energy/damage.</blockquote>

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