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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8573399" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>You can get one or two points to a stat from your stronghold, weapons & armor come in +0/+1/+2/+3 versions & more. Ioun stones & tomes can add +2. Levelup has an extensive crafting system & some guidelines on t&t351 about crafting entirely new things where a player could hypothetically make things like the old body slot restricted +1/+2/+4/+6 stat gear.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Here's a few.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">48point:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">15+1/13+1/10/6/3/3</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">13+1/11+1/10/8/7/7</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">15+1/13+1/10/3/3/3</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">13+1/13+1/10/8/6/3</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">45 point<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">16+1/11+1/10/6/3/3</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">13+1/11+1/10/8/7/4</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">15+1/13+1/10/3/3/3</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">13+1/12/11+1/10/3/3</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">42 point<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">16+1/11+1/9/4/3/3</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">13+1/10/10/8/7+1/3</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">13+1/13+1/12/3/3/3</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">13+1/12+1/11*/9*/3/3 with the * choice of +1</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">39 point<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">16+1/11+1/6/4/3/3</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">13+1/11+1/10/7/4/3</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">13+1/13*/11*/3*/3/3 with the * choice of +1 </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">13+1/12/9/7/3/3 with the remaining +1 anywhere</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">36 point<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You can't say that I wasn't up front about this one. O5e may lack the actual point buy used for the vgtm survivors but 3.5 did with the 15 point buy low Powered Campaign" on dmg170 that allows similar</li> </ul></li> </ul><p></p><p></p><p>There are basically zero PCs that need 6x10 or need to be perfectly average in all six stats. Even SAD characters tend to have one prime ability & one or two lesser but still mildly important abilities alongside some dump stats while MAD ones will obviously needsome dump stats</p><p></p><p></p><p>The words are in the context of the standard array being too generous</p><p></p><p>Yes. I as the gm can do things like raise the AC of every monster 2-3 points & continue doing so with hiugher numbers as magic items are handed out or I can save the headache & just start everyone with lower stats.</p><p></p><p>Presentation matters. Take this hgypothetical of the GM wanting to start everyone with lower stats using this kind of thing.</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Scenario one: GM"I'm looking at typical & think it might be good for you guys given how common magic items tend to be in my games & this allows me to be even more generous">players:"that's pretty tight, can we step that up a notch or two?">GM:"Maybe let's negotiate on what yourgiving up getting for your PCs & giving me in terms of buyin into the world"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Scenario two: [spoiler="It looks like this"][ATTACH=full]153385[/ATTACH][/spoiler]<br /> GM: "I want more room to do things like give out & let you craft more magic items. Everyone should use the 22 point buy option."<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Players:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/alternative-pointbuy-system.686630/post-8573168" target="_blank">you need to nerf the monster ACs & DCs for us</a></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">This "<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/alternative-pointbuy-system.686630/post-8573268" target="_blank">is an incredible nerf and it's basically incompatible with the assumed pc stats.</a>"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/alternative-pointbuy-system.686630/post-8573268" target="_blank">You can't even make the standard array at all with this system, so the other design tweaks are not gonna be enough to balance it.</a>"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Letting us gestalt 2 classes 3.5 style & we can talk.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">etc</li> </ul></li> </ul></li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8573399, member: 93670"] You can get one or two points to a stat from your stronghold, weapons & armor come in +0/+1/+2/+3 versions & more. Ioun stones & tomes can add +2. Levelup has an extensive crafting system & some guidelines on t&t351 about crafting entirely new things where a player could hypothetically make things like the old body slot restricted +1/+2/+4/+6 stat gear. Here's a few. [LIST] [*]48point: [LIST] [*]15+1/13+1/10/6/3/3 [*]13+1/11+1/10/8/7/7 [*]15+1/13+1/10/3/3/3 [*]13+1/13+1/10/8/6/3 [/LIST] [*]45 point [LIST] [*]16+1/11+1/10/6/3/3 [*]13+1/11+1/10/8/7/4 [*]15+1/13+1/10/3/3/3 [*]13+1/12/11+1/10/3/3 [/LIST] [*]42 point [LIST] [*]16+1/11+1/9/4/3/3 [*]13+1/10/10/8/7+1/3 [*]13+1/13+1/12/3/3/3 [*]13+1/12+1/11*/9*/3/3 with the * choice of +1 [/LIST] [*]39 point [LIST] [*]16+1/11+1/6/4/3/3 [*]13+1/11+1/10/7/4/3 [*]13+1/13*/11*/3*/3/3 with the * choice of +1 [*]13+1/12/9/7/3/3 with the remaining +1 anywhere [/LIST] [*]36 point [LIST] [*]You can't say that I wasn't up front about this one. O5e may lack the actual point buy used for the vgtm survivors but 3.5 did with the 15 point buy low Powered Campaign" on dmg170 that allows similar [/LIST] [/LIST] There are basically zero PCs that need 6x10 or need to be perfectly average in all six stats. Even SAD characters tend to have one prime ability & one or two lesser but still mildly important abilities alongside some dump stats while MAD ones will obviously needsome dump stats The words are in the context of the standard array being too generous Yes. I as the gm can do things like raise the AC of every monster 2-3 points & continue doing so with hiugher numbers as magic items are handed out or I can save the headache & just start everyone with lower stats. Presentation matters. Take this hgypothetical of the GM wanting to start everyone with lower stats using this kind of thing. [LIST] [*]Scenario one: GM"I'm looking at typical & think it might be good for you guys given how common magic items tend to be in my games & this allows me to be even more generous">players:"that's pretty tight, can we step that up a notch or two?">GM:"Maybe let's negotiate on what yourgiving up getting for your PCs & giving me in terms of buyin into the world" [*]Scenario two: [spoiler="It looks like this"][ATTACH type="full"]153385[/ATTACH][/spoiler] GM: "I want more room to do things like give out & let you craft more magic items. Everyone should use the 22 point buy option." [LIST] [*]Players: [LIST] [*][URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/alternative-pointbuy-system.686630/post-8573168']you need to nerf the monster ACs & DCs for us[/URL] [*]This "[URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/alternative-pointbuy-system.686630/post-8573268']is an incredible nerf and it's basically incompatible with the assumed pc stats.[/URL]" [*]"[URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/alternative-pointbuy-system.686630/post-8573268']You can't even make the standard array at all with this system, so the other design tweaks are not gonna be enough to balance it.[/URL]" [*]Letting us gestalt 2 classes 3.5 style & we can talk. [*]etc [/LIST] [/LIST] [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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