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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8573561" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I am not sure I agree with this hypothesis for a couple reasons.First any character can be a generalist by investing in proficiency with a dump stat.&nbsp; For example my 8 strength, 7th level Ranger has proficiency in Athletics for&nbsp; +2 and he has a +3 in Acrobatics due to his 16 Dexterity.&nbsp; So he is a generalist and he is good enough at those two skills that he uses them both frequently, to include using shove in combat occasionally.&nbsp; If he invested in proficiency in acrobatics instead I would argoe that he would be more of a specialist and while he would be almost unstoppable in acrobatics he would not be very good in athletics.Second it entirely depends on the party size.&nbsp; The aforementioned Ranger is in a party that&nbsp; includes only 2 other players -&nbsp;&nbsp; a Druid and a Warlock.&nbsp; So he is also the &quot;generalist&quot; front liner and frankly below average at that.&nbsp; The Druid is the actual tank but it is quite often my Ranger is in melee sporting a shilaleagh.&nbsp; I could have built a Barbarian or Fighter or taken heavy Armor or medium armor master at 4th level instead of the Dragonfear feat and I could have a 14 Con and 12 Charisma instead of the other way around and if I did that he would be a much, much better tank, althoug still a &quot;generalist&quot;.&nbsp; Of course he would not be the &quot;specialist&quot; face he currently is (sporting +8 Intimidation and Persuasion) or the generalist &quot;Gish&quot; he is now if I did that and throwing fear like it is going out of style.Which would be better for the party overall?&nbsp; I would argue in that 3-person party having a lights out face with a bit of spell control and a bit of melee is better than having a great tank with no control and relying on our Warlock as the face.&nbsp; I would also argue that having a 2nd character who is &quot;ok&quot; in athletics and one who is ok in acrobatics is better than having one 1 character that is &quot;ok&quot; in athletics (the druid) and one that is good in acrobatics.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8573561, member: 7030563"] I am not sure I agree with this hypothesis for a couple reasons. First any character can be a generalist by investing in proficiency with a dump stat. For example my 8 strength, 7th level Ranger has proficiency in Athletics for +2 and he has a +3 in Acrobatics due to his 16 Dexterity. So he is a generalist and he is good enough at those two skills that he uses them both frequently, to include using shove in combat occasionally. If he invested in proficiency in acrobatics instead I would argoe that he would be more of a specialist and while he would be almost unstoppable in acrobatics he would not be very good in athletics. Second it entirely depends on the party size. The aforementioned Ranger is in a party that includes only 2 other players - a Druid and a Warlock. So he is also the "generalist" front liner and frankly below average at that. The Druid is the actual tank but it is quite often my Ranger is in melee sporting a shilaleagh. I could have built a Barbarian or Fighter or taken heavy Armor or medium armor master at 4th level instead of the Dragonfear feat and I could have a 14 Con and 12 Charisma instead of the other way around and if I did that he would be a much, much better tank, althoug still a "generalist". Of course he would not be the "specialist" face he currently is (sporting +8 Intimidation and Persuasion) or the generalist "Gish" he is now if I did that and throwing fear like it is going out of style. Which would be better for the party overall? I would argue in that 3-person party having a lights out face with a bit of spell control and a bit of melee is better than having a great tank with no control and relying on our Warlock as the face. I would also argue that having a 2nd character who is "ok" in athletics and one who is ok in acrobatics is better than having one 1 character that is "ok" in athletics (the druid) and one that is good in acrobatics. [/QUOTE]

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