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<blockquote data-quote="Yair" data-source="post: 1185103" data-attributes="member: 10913">In a discussion on another forum, a &quot;more balanced&quot; turning check (i.e. turning undead) was suggested, namely having the undead make a Will saving throw with DC 11 + Cleric Level.I like to implement this mechanic, as I think its simpler and matches the CR/cleric level better. However, I am not sure what other limitations the turning should have.I was thinking of limiting the turning to a range of 15', i.e. making it a 15' radius burst effect. I figure this will make the &quot;need to get close&quot; motiff clear (that's how I imagine turning - it shouldn't work at long ranges!). This will also limit the amount of foes turned, making it less of a game-breaker effect. This is especially needed if one forgoes the &quot;hit-dice turned&quot; mechanics; one of the benefits of this system is that it more closely matches the CR, whereas HD do not, so I reackon that's a good thing.However, considering reach, I thought of making it 30'.I'm not sure either works well.Any suggestions? Thoughts? Input?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Yair, post: 1185103, member: 10913"] In a discussion on another forum, a "more balanced" turning check (i.e. turning undead) was suggested, namely having the undead make a Will saving throw with DC 11 + Cleric Level. I like to implement this mechanic, as I think its simpler and matches the CR/cleric level better. However, I am not sure what other limitations the turning should have. I was thinking of limiting the turning to a range of 15', i.e. making it a 15' radius burst effect. I figure this will make the "need to get close" motiff clear (that's how I imagine turning - it shouldn't work at long ranges!). This will also limit the amount of foes turned, making it less of a game-breaker effect. This is especially needed if one forgoes the "hit-dice turned" mechanics; one of the benefits of this system is that it more closely matches the CR, whereas HD do not, so I reackon that's a good thing. However, considering reach, I thought of making it 30'. I'm not sure either works well. Any suggestions? Thoughts? Input? [/QUOTE]

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