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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grayhawk" data-source="post: 1190263" data-attributes="member: 11288">More important than making it easier on the DM, putting the roll in the hands of the cleric's player will make him feel more like he's the one doing the turning. And a big (fun) part of the game is having the players roll dice to determine the outcome of their actions.And this would be equal to a turning check by the cleric of d20 + 1/2 Cleric Level + Cha mod vs a DC of undead's will save + 10?I see what you mean, but the opposite argument could be made as well: 'Your previous turning attempt failed to affect any of the undead, but this time all the skeletons within your AoE are turned. The Ghouls though, keep advancing.' I guess this is more a questuion of personal preference (as long as the turning is balanced in some other way).I'm not sure this is limited enough. If you use the formula of d20 + 1/2 Cleric Level + Cha mod vs a DC of undead's will save + 10, a 2nd level cleric with a Cha of 14 will turn a Spectre on a roll of 14. With standard 3e rules he would only have been able to turn HD 4 creatures with that roll. When paging through the MM other oddities stand out. Like vampires. The sample vampire (5th level human fighter) with a CR of 7 would be turned by the above 2nd level cleric on a roll of 11, while the CR 4 vampire spawn would require a roll of 14, due to his better will save and the +2 turn resistance.Not sure if this can be easily fixed, though. Maybe going through the various undead and applying/removing turn resistance based on how their will save compares to their CR. I think something can be worked out that includes both HD and will save, as I like the thought about the will save influencing how hard it is to turn a given undead, but having the HD decide whether it's too tough to be turned at all.I still feel that having the highest affected HD be equal to cleric level + cha bonus might work.</blockquote>

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