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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Yair" data-source="post: 1199431" data-attributes="member: 10913">FrankTrollman, it was your post at another forum that made me start this thread. I'm glad you joined in.While I agree with your basic premise, I don't quite agree with your mechanic. 1) The improtance of Cha to the turning must be maintained, or the cleric class becomes duller. Accordingly, I prefer DC=10 + 1/2 Clr Level + Cha modifier. While possibly less balanced, it is nonetheless better for flavor reasons.2) Allowing each undead to save individually simply requires too many die rolls. I suggest instead to make the cleric roll 1d20 + 1/2 Clr level + Cha modifier, against DC=10+Will (the DM can still roll the save if wants to).3) Allowing the cleric to affect all undead, without any HD limit, may make the cleric reasonably turn an atrocious number of HD in some circumstances. While this may not be overly felt in practice, I suggest a limit of (Clr level + Cha modifier) x2 HD turned.I agree there is no need for maximum HD turned.4) Given that the DC is what counts here, and not HD, it would make more sense to add TR to the Will save of undead against turning, rather than to HD.Yair</blockquote>