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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrankTrollman" data-source="post: 1206320" data-attributes="member: 14225">Look at the assumptions though:A +3 Charisma bonus rising linearly by +1 per three levels. Meaning that the DC is rising by +5 per six levels - almost perfectly linearly with level. But Charisma doesn't rise like that! Especially not for a Cleric. Their primary attribute is and always will be Wisdom, so in most games they are lucky if they can afford a 15 for their starting Charisma - and statistics simply don't rise linearly, they jump in leaps when new bonuses are gained. And it's simply not realistic to expect a primary divine caster to be putting stat raises into Charisma to increase the DC of their turning when they could just put the same stat increase into Wisdom and increase the DC of Flamestrike and get more spells.With the +1 DC per two levels and +1 DC per Charisma modifier you've essentially taken Turning away from Clerics altogether and given it instead to paladins. A Paladin turns as a Cleric only 2 levels lower - which in this proposed system is only a -1 to DC. But Charisma is their primary attribute. They are almost guaranteed to put their best stat into Charisma - instead of their second (or fourth) best stat.So the Paladin gets 1 less DC from level, but gets 1 or 2 more DC from starting with a higher Charisma. As the characters go up in level, the Paladin is going to be investing more in Charisma, and thus his statistic is going to be rising faster than the Cleric's is - so the Paladin is always going to be ahead.And since the Paladin is ahead anyway, the Paladin is going to get all the turning bonus gear - and the Cleric isn't going to need to bother with Turning - and thus with his charisma - at all.-Frank</blockquote>

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