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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 1207867" data-attributes="member: 224">Hmmm.  I hadn't concidered playing with the "Turnings per day" mechanic.  Thanks, FrankT.  Seems to me that saying you get 1 + Cha mod might be good.I also hadn't concidered having a progression of effects: Shaken, Flee, then destroyed.  It's a touch more complicated, but the flavor is better.  Question is, is the flavor worth the (slight) additional complication.Re: How Cleric's Cha increases with levelIt absolutely true this will depend strongly on equipment and playing style.  My assumption is that the cleric starts of with a +3 mod, so he's obviously put quite a bit into Cha (16 or 17!) already.  Then the cleric, on average, increases that mod (+3) by +1 per three levels.  IOW, at 9th level, the cleric's Cha mod is +6.That's assuming maxing that stat, and I admit that the change is not continuous, but "episodic".  If you change the Cha mod increase to +1 per 5 levels, so that at 10th level the cleric has a (+3 +2 =)  +5 mod, then his chance of turning UD of his CR falls from  43% to 39% (averaging all UD monsters in the MM).IOW: The change is not very great.  For most things at the Cleric's CR, he still turns them about 50% of the time.Some examples:Human skeleton vs. Clr 1: turned 50% of the timeShadow vs Clr 3: turned 45%Spectre vs Clr 7: turned 45%Devourer vs Clr 11: turned 40%Night Crawler vs Clr 18: turned 5% of the time.This seems right to me.Again, I'm assuming the model:      Cleric spends a turning attempt, UD in his Area of Effect must make a Will save.  The Will DC is 10 + 1/2 Cleric level + Cha.  A failed save means the UD is turned, and flees.</blockquote>

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