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<blockquote data-quote="pming" data-source="post: 7311209" data-attributes="member: 45197">Hiya!Had a player really get into playing a druid. He decided on Moon Druid because he though the shape-changing was cool, and he liked the idea of &quot;night time, spooky, moon druid rituals&quot; and whatnot. I looked at Wildshape and though...&quot;Huh. Well, that's stupid and doesn't fit into anything I'd consider 'classical Druid'&quot;. So I told him (and everyone at the table), &quot;We're just going to use the 1e rules for that&quot;.Worked perfectly. Everyone enjoyed the druid's versatility for scouting and whatnot...and when he turned into a giant octopus (?...iirc?) and took on a really tough, pissed-off great white shark during an end-battle, he was down to single-digit HP's before he killed it and dragged himself up on shore. It was really epic! (I think he was 5th?; we were playing U2 at that time...but it ended up seriously digressing from the 'expected outcome').Allowing him to turn into fish or birds didn't &quot;break&quot; the game or anything like that...and I didn't think it would.So, my &quot;solution&quot; was to open the wildshape's to sizes, kinda like 1e. In my campaigns, being able to change into a crow to fly over an encampment of orcs FAR outweighs changing into a t-rex, for example. Druids shapechange into animals for a specific purpose; usually for infiltration or to overcome some obstacle (like a chasm, or a lowered portcullis, for example). Trying to &quot;power-game for DPS&quot; is likely to just get you killed IMC.As for higher level changing (elementals and whatever other craziness)...again, &quot;function&quot; FAR outweighs &quot;DPS&quot;. If you are a druid who is thinking he/she will be a bad ass in melee combat because they can shape change into something 'tough'...well, IMC anyway, you will be in for a very rude awakening. &quot;Aggg! Druid! Quick! Change into a rat or something, go through the portcullis, change back, and open the freaking thing so we can get inside!&quot;....&quot;Uh, no can do. I changed into too many t-rex'es today&quot;...(insert sounds of party getting ripped to shreds). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />^_^Paul L. Ming</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pming, post: 7311209, member: 45197"] Hiya! Had a player really get into playing a druid. He decided on Moon Druid because he though the shape-changing was cool, and he liked the idea of "night time, spooky, moon druid rituals" and whatnot. I looked at Wildshape and though..."Huh. Well, that's stupid and doesn't fit into anything I'd consider 'classical Druid'". So I told him (and everyone at the table), "We're just going to use the 1e rules for that". Worked perfectly. Everyone enjoyed the druid's versatility for scouting and whatnot...and when he turned into a giant octopus (?...iirc?) and took on a really tough, pissed-off great white shark during an end-battle, he was down to single-digit HP's before he killed it and dragged himself up on shore. It was really epic! (I think he was 5th?; we were playing U2 at that time...but it ended up seriously digressing from the 'expected outcome'). Allowing him to turn into fish or birds didn't "break" the game or anything like that...and I didn't think it would. So, my "solution" was to open the wildshape's to sizes, kinda like 1e. In my campaigns, being able to change into a crow to fly over an encampment of orcs FAR outweighs changing into a t-rex, for example. Druids shapechange into animals for a specific purpose; usually for infiltration or to overcome some obstacle (like a chasm, or a lowered portcullis, for example). Trying to "power-game for DPS" is likely to just get you killed IMC. As for higher level changing (elementals and whatever other craziness)...again, "function" FAR outweighs "DPS". If you are a druid who is thinking he/she will be a bad ass in melee combat because they can shape change into something 'tough'...well, IMC anyway, you will be in for a very rude awakening. "Aggg! Druid! Quick! Change into a rat or something, go through the portcullis, change back, and open the freaking thing so we can get inside!"...."Uh, no can do. I changed into too many t-rex'es today"...(insert sounds of party getting ripped to shreds). ;) ^_^ Paul L. Ming [/QUOTE]

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