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<blockquote data-quote="tonym" data-source="post: 1878726" data-attributes="member: 4127">I was assuming, initially, that the PCs had no real choice--only a choice between entering crates or failure.&nbsp; But it seems that the PCs brought the McGuffin-theft upon themselves by choosing to crawl into the crates.&nbsp; So, assuming there truly was another way to move the McGuffin besides the crates (was there, Ambrus?), then I'm changing my vote to say that you are not a Cruel DM.&nbsp; Semi-cruel, maybe. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Still, it's a bummer that the consequences of the Players' mistake had to be so dire.&nbsp; I hope you can twist the whole event into a positive thing, and keep that one Player from departing.&nbsp; PS: Ketharian, are you PC1, the Player who proposed and championed the Crate Idea?&nbsp; Or PC2, who didn't care for the idea of the McGuffin being in the crate by itself?&nbsp; Or PC3, who remained dubious throughout?&nbsp; Or PC4, who was pretty quiet during the whole thing.&nbsp; (I'm guessing PC4 was the missing Player's character.)&nbsp; Just curious.Tony M</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tonym, post: 1878726, member: 4127"] I was assuming, initially, that the PCs had no real choice--only a choice between entering crates or failure. But it seems that the PCs brought the McGuffin-theft upon themselves by choosing to crawl into the crates. So, assuming there truly was another way to move the McGuffin besides the crates (was there, Ambrus?), then I'm changing my vote to say that you are not a Cruel DM. Semi-cruel, maybe. :) Still, it's a bummer that the consequences of the Players' mistake had to be so dire. I hope you can twist the whole event into a positive thing, and keep that one Player from departing. PS: Ketharian, are you PC1, the Player who proposed and championed the Crate Idea? Or PC2, who didn't care for the idea of the McGuffin being in the crate by itself? Or PC3, who remained dubious throughout? Or PC4, who was pretty quiet during the whole thing. (I'm guessing PC4 was the missing Player's character.) Just curious. Tony M [/QUOTE]

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