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Message: <blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 1890986" data-attributes="member: 16285">I guess you need to reread the posts made. I have never made a big deal over the diplomacy check and the result of 30, nor have I made the comparison to it being like a charm person spell.The point I have been making and focusing on was the Sense Motive and its results. No, but I am a CQA (Certified Quality Auditor) and an engineer and deal with percentages and overall concepts on a routine basis.  If you read further you wil see that I specifically stated that a single person is not reason to doubt the reuslts but that when 2 out 5 (sorry but that is nearly half by anyone's use of math) is an indication of a bad thing.  I get that extra 1 being dissatisfied because the DM himself stated that that person wasn't going to post but had that opinion once notified of what had happened. Also the DM should not be counted into this number (which is where you get are getting the total of 6).  The DM does not factor in the the reception of the players since he is the cause or means of their enjoyment.One thing that is constantly taught in the military is to trust your indications until they can be proven false.  There were no contrary indications in this scenario, despite what you seem to think.I also know that I am not alone in my contention on the fact that the PCs had nothing else to really go on here.  There was no additional info being provided by the DM - there was no interaction with the "bad" gnomes</blockquote>

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