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Message: <blockquote data-quote="der_kluge" data-source="post: 229618" data-attributes="member: 945">Re: Question...Wolfen Priest - based on a number of threads on these boards concerning the Bard class, increasing the amount of skill points from 4 to 6 is what a lot of DMs do.  I think that's certainly one option, and probably the easiest.  Another easy thing that could be done is to make Spot a class skill, and remove Scry as a class skill.  The PHB describes Bard's as scouts, but Spot is a cross-class skill.  And IMHO, Scry is better left to Clerics and Wizards, not Bards.  So, unless you're going to play a Divining Bard (unlikely) losing Scry isn't a huge loss.There are NUMEROUS problems I have with the class, the least of which is the fact that Sorcerer-based casting makes no sense.  Scenario:  Bard is in the tavern, talking calmly with a wizard at the bar.  Wizard: "I got this new spell called Haste.  It's great."Bard: "Oh, really?"Wizard: "Yea, I can move really fast with, becoming harder to hit, and can take more actions."Bard: "Sounds really nice."Wizard: "I could teach it to you if you'd like."Bard: "Oh, I'd love that, but you see, I've already reached my maximum number of 3rd level spells known for my level, so actually, I can't learn it for about 15 more levels.  I could learn a 4th level spell, though, since I'll get one of those next level!"As John Stossel would say - "Gimme a break!"The songs make absolutely no sense as well.  But that's a whole other can of worms.What I'd like to do (and will do some day if I get the time) is to replace the Bard with about 3 different classes.Firstly, the Bard should be a Prestige class.  You shouldn't just start off knowing how to make music into magic.Better yet, I started working on a Minstrel Class, which is based on the Everquest Bard.  You get one new song every level.  So, it really is more of a music-based class.  Each song has different effects, some of which are offensive and some of them are defensive.A third option is something more like what my character should have been.  But, I think I can accomplish it with rogue/wizorcerer without having to make up an entirely new class.</blockquote>

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