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<blockquote data-quote="Uller" data-source="post: 1439159" data-attributes="member: 413"><p>I don't think we're at risk of TPK really. Maybe just one or two PCs... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p></p><p>As long as I've been DMing I've always had BBEGs 1-3 levels above the party. It's never been a problem really. Having the BBEG be equal or lower level than the PCs has always seemed kind of weak to me.</p><p></p><p>Keep in mind there are 6 members in the party so effectively they are a fifth level party (if you use the same formula for parties as encounters...double the numbers increases EL by 2...obviously this isn't always true once you start throwing in immunities, DR and SR, but that's not the case here). Plus they'll have 4 War1 henchmen to help out.</p><p></p><p>Also keep in mind they don't have to KILL the BBEG. They just have to capture the BBEG or one of his LTs (preferably alive). They could even make multiple forays (although subsequent ones will be tougher). The party consists of a Rog4, Rgr4, Ftr2/Cl2, Rog1/Div3, Brb3/Src1 and a second Rgr4...so they are very well suited to stealth. The goblin lair is a ravine with a bunch of caves, each cave is occupied by 10-15 War1 goblins and a 3rd level lieutenant goblin (and some other things). There are sentries at each cave mouth and occasional patrols through the ravine. </p><p></p><p>Now if the party decides on the frontal assault on the goblin lair...they'll be in for it. ~50 goblins, 3 worgs and two ogres! And if things go badly for the goblins they'll release an Ettin they have imprisoned in one of the caves. Now that would be a TPK! But they'll be made aware of that risk.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Uller, post: 1439159, member: 413"] I don't think we're at risk of TPK really. Maybe just one or two PCs... :D As long as I've been DMing I've always had BBEGs 1-3 levels above the party. It's never been a problem really. Having the BBEG be equal or lower level than the PCs has always seemed kind of weak to me. Keep in mind there are 6 members in the party so effectively they are a fifth level party (if you use the same formula for parties as encounters...double the numbers increases EL by 2...obviously this isn't always true once you start throwing in immunities, DR and SR, but that's not the case here). Plus they'll have 4 War1 henchmen to help out. Also keep in mind they don't have to KILL the BBEG. They just have to capture the BBEG or one of his LTs (preferably alive). They could even make multiple forays (although subsequent ones will be tougher). The party consists of a Rog4, Rgr4, Ftr2/Cl2, Rog1/Div3, Brb3/Src1 and a second Rgr4...so they are very well suited to stealth. The goblin lair is a ravine with a bunch of caves, each cave is occupied by 10-15 War1 goblins and a 3rd level lieutenant goblin (and some other things). There are sentries at each cave mouth and occasional patrols through the ravine. Now if the party decides on the frontal assault on the goblin lair...they'll be in for it. ~50 goblins, 3 worgs and two ogres! And if things go badly for the goblins they'll release an Ettin they have imprisoned in one of the caves. Now that would be a TPK! But they'll be made aware of that risk. [/QUOTE]
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