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<blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 2641915" data-attributes="member: 284">Absolutely.&nbsp; I think that even the pre-reqs I added aren't going far enough. The feat you posted states that the suprise round can be treated as a full round, it doesn't limit them to a move action and a standard action.&nbsp; As such, it would indeed allow a full round off attacks in the suprise round.If your opponents have lost their Dex bonus to AC (such as when you suprise them or beat them on initiative), then you don't need to hide to sneak attack them.&nbsp; This means the rogue could do a full round of sneak attacks with his bow during the surprise round, and possibly a second full round if he beats them on initiative.&nbsp; Even without considering a rogue, any well built archer could do scarry amounts of damage in that situation.I think you are looking a this from only one side of the issue.Your right in that PC's don't suprise bad guys nearly as often as the bad guys surprise the PC's.Imagine that the bad guys have this feat.&nbsp; How many PC's can survive potentially two full rounds of attacks from an opponent while they are flat-footed?&nbsp;&nbsp; Maybe a fighter, barbarian, or front-line cleric, but most other classes will be down or nearly down before they get to act.&nbsp;&nbsp; And it only get's worse at higher levels.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Caliban, post: 2641915, member: 284"] Absolutely. I think that even the pre-reqs I added aren't going far enough. The feat you posted states that the suprise round can be treated as a full round, it doesn't limit them to a move action and a standard action. As such, it would indeed allow a full round off attacks in the suprise round. If your opponents have lost their Dex bonus to AC (such as when you suprise them or beat them on initiative), then you don't need to hide to sneak attack them. This means the rogue could do a full round of sneak attacks with his bow during the surprise round, and possibly a second full round if he beats them on initiative. Even without considering a rogue, any well built archer could do scarry amounts of damage in that situation. I think you are looking a this from only one side of the issue. Your right in that PC's don't suprise bad guys nearly as often as the bad guys surprise the PC's. Imagine that the bad guys have this feat. How many PC's can survive potentially two full rounds of attacks from an opponent while they are flat-footed? Maybe a fighter, barbarian, or front-line cleric, but most other classes will be down or nearly down before they get to act. And it only get's worse at higher levels. [/QUOTE]

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