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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Morgan_Scott82" data-source="post: 4562125" data-attributes="member: 79594">So I'm typing this on a break at the office and don't have my books with me if I make an error please point it out. That said it occured to me the other day that the tempest fighter gives up absolutely nothing (I know they give up Fighter Weapon Talent, but they get back exactly the same bonus and then some). Tempest Technique gives you a +1 to attack with weapons with the off hand property, the Two weapon defense feat and a +1 to damage if they're in light armor or chainmail, this bonus increases to plus two with weapons that have the offhand property. I believe the designers thinking was that the damage bonus was to make up the typically lower damage of weapons with the off hand property, and the sacrifice in AC. However with the right choice of weapon you effectively give up nothing. Using any of the double weapons in AV, makes this a no brainer.  All double weapons have the off-hand, and defensive property.  The defensive property gives you a +1 unnamed bonus to AC, combine this with the +1 shield bonus for two weapon defense, you've totally made up the gap between the chain armor  the tempest fighter will be using and the scale armor + shield the regular fighter will be using.  The +1 to hit from Fighter weapon talent is made up by the +1 to hit with weapons that have the off hand property. Therefore mechanically speaking there is little reason for a fighter to not be a tempest fighter. <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Equivilent AC</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Equivilent Attack bonuses</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Equivilent base weapon damage (double weapons provide off hand weapons at d8, d10 and d12)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">+3 bonus damage (+2 unnamed bonus from tempest technique, and an additional +1 feat bonus from two weapon fighting)</li> </ul>Have I missed something or is the combination of Tempest Technique and the Double weapons from AV, just mechanically superior to PHB fighters?</blockquote>

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