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<blockquote data-quote="Vegepygmy" data-source="post: 4775783" data-attributes="member: 40109"><p>It depends on what authority you find more persuasive. First, here's the 3.5 FAQ's answer to your question:</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">What exactly does the second effect of </span></span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">protection from evil </span></span></span></span></span></em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">do, anyway?</span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: deepskyblue">The Sage feels your pain. While the first and third effects of </span></span></span></p><p></span></span><p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">protection from evil </span></span></span></span></span></em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">are relatively straightforward, the second is less clear. The key phrase that defines this particular effect of the spell is as follows: “ . . . the barrier blocks any attempt to . . . exercise mental control over the creature (including enchantment (charm) effects and enchantment (compulsion) effects that grant the caster ongoing control over the subject . . .).”</span></span></span></span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: deepskyblue">(The spell also blocks attempts to possess the creature, but effects that accomplish this are so few as to barely be worth mentioning.)</span></span></span></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: deepskyblue">The first part of this phrase describes the basic criteria by which the DM should judge </span></span></span></p><p></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span><p style="text-align: left"><p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">protection from evil</span></span></span></span></span></em><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">’s effect: If the incoming effect attempts to exercise mental control over the creature, </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">protection from evil </span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">likely suppresses that effect. The parenthetical portion of the phrase provides two specific examples (pointed, obviously, at rules elements of the </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Player’s Handbook</span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">) to help judge what exactly is meant by that:</span></span></span></span></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: deepskyblue">1. Enchantment (charm) effects. Simple enough—</span></span></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">protection from evil </span></span></span></span></span></em><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">automatically suppresses any enchantment (charm) effect, such as </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">charm person </span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">or </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">enthrall</span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">.</span></span></span></span></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: deepskyblue">2. Enchantment (compulsion) effects that grant the caster ongoing control over the subject. This is where adjudication gets trickier, because you have to decide what “ongoing control” means. The Sage </span></span></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">recommends a broad definition, which includes any non-instantaneous effect that prevents the target from exercising full control over its own actions.</span></span></span></span></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: deepskyblue">Examples would include the obvious (such as </span></span></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">command </span></span></span></span></span></em><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">or </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">dominate person</span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">), but also the less obvious, such as </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">daze</span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">, </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">sleep</span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">, and </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Tasha’s hideous laughter</span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">. Such effects would be suppressed for as long as </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">protection from evil </span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">lasts on the target.</span></span></span></span></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: deepskyblue">There are still plenty of enchantment (compulsion) effects that don’t grant the caster ongoing control over the subject. </span></span></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">Heroism</span></span></span></span></span></em><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">, </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">crushing despair</span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">, </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">mind fog</span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">, </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">power word blind</span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">, </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">rage</span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">, and </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">touch of idiocy </span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">are examples. </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Protection from evil </span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">has no effect on such spells.</span></span></span></span></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: deepskyblue">But what about mental control effects that aren’t enchantment effects, such as psionics? In such cases, the DM must use the rules and his own best judgment in concert to adjudicate the effect. Psionic powers of the telepathy discipline are the equivalent of enchantment spells, for example, and thus are affected in the same way. Nonspell effects that closely mimic enchantment spells should be treated as if they were spells of the appropriate subschool (charm or compulsion).</span></span></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span><p style="text-align: left"></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left">Now here's what the 3.0 FAQ had to say (and remember, the relevant text in the spell description didn't change between editions--only the author of the FAQ did):</p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p><p style="text-align: left"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">The second function of the </span></span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">protection from evil </span></span></span></span></span></em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">spell blocks any attempt to possess the warded creature or to exercise mental control over the creature. What, exactly, counts as mental control?</span></span></span></span></span></strong></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: deepskyblue">“Mental control” includes all spells of the school of Enchantment that have the Charm subschool, such as </span></span></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></span></span><p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">animal friendship, charm person, </span></span></span></span></span></em><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">and </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">charm monster. </span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">It also includes some Enchantment spells of the Compulsion subschool if those spells grant the caster ongoing control over the subject; such </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">spells include </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">dominate person </span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">and </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">dominate monster</span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">. Compulsions that merely dictate the subject’s action at the time the spell takes effect are not blocked. Such spells include </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">command, hold person, geas/quest, hypnotism, insanity, Otto’s irresistible dance, random action, suggestion, </span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">and </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">zone of truth.</span></span></span></span></em></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p><p style="text-align: left"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">Would a </span></span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">protection from evil </span></span></span></span></span></em><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">spell block mind-affecting spells that aren’t from the Enchantment school, such as </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">cause fear, create undead, gate, hypnotic pattern, mount, rainbow pattern, sanctuary, </span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="color: deepskyblue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">and </span></span></span></span><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">summon monster</span></span></span></span></em></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">?</span></span></span></span></span></strong></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: deepskyblue">No, see previous question.</span></span></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Personally, I find the 3.0 FAQ more persuasive as to the first question (what "ongoing control" means), but that second question (regarding non-Enchantments) is borked right from the start. <em>Create undead, gate, mount, sanctuary,</em> and <em>summon monster</em> aren't mind-affecting spells (even in 3.0), so why they're even mentioned is a mystery, and besides, <em>protection from evil</em> doesn't limit itself to Enchantments--it blocks <strong>any</strong> "attempt to...exercise mental control over" the subject; certain Enchantments are <strong>included</strong> in the category of "attempts to exercise mental control," but are not the <strong>entirety</strong> of that category.</span></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">So the 3.5 FAQ says <em>protection from evil</em> would block <em>brain lock</em> (a non-instantaneous telepathy power that prevents the target from exercising full control over its own actions), and thus <em>unholy aura</em> would, too.</span></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">The 3.0 FAQ says <em>protection from evil</em> wouldn't block <em>brain lock,</em> for two reasons: (1) because it doesn't grant "ongoing control" (since <em>brain lock</em> merely dictates the subject's action at the time the power takes effect), and (2) because it's not an Enchantment. FWIW, <strong>I</strong> think (1) is a good reason and (2) is not.</span></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">But now you have all the information <strong>you</strong> need to make an educated ruling yourself. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></span></span></p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">(By the way, I apologize for any irregularities in the format of this post. The new EN World interface really screws cut-and-paste jobs up badly.) </p> <p style="text-align: left"></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vegepygmy, post: 4775783, member: 40109"] It depends on what authority you find more persuasive. First, here's the 3.5 FAQ's answer to your question: [B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]What exactly does the second effect of [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]protection from evil [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]do, anyway?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=deepskyblue]The Sage feels your pain. While the first and third effects of [/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT] [/FONT][/SIZE][LEFT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]protection from evil [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]are relatively straightforward, the second is less clear. The key phrase that defines this particular effect of the spell is as follows: “ . . . the barrier blocks any attempt to . . . exercise mental control over the creature (including enchantment (charm) effects and enchantment (compulsion) effects that grant the caster ongoing control over the subject . . .).”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=deepskyblue](The spell also blocks attempts to possess the creature, but effects that accomplish this are so few as to barely be worth mentioning.)[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT][/FONT][LEFT][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman] [LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=deepskyblue]The first part of this phrase describes the basic criteria by which the DM should judge [/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT] [/FONT][/SIZE][LEFT][LEFT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]protection from evil[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]’s effect: If the incoming effect attempts to exercise mental control over the creature, [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]protection from evil [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]likely suppresses that effect. The parenthetical portion of the phrase provides two specific examples (pointed, obviously, at rules elements of the [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]Player’s Handbook[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]) to help judge what exactly is meant by that:[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=deepskyblue]1. Enchantment (charm) effects. Simple enough—[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT][/FONT][LEFT][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman] [LEFT][/LEFT][/FONT][LEFT][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]protection from evil [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]automatically suppresses any enchantment (charm) effect, such as [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]charm person [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]or [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]enthrall[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=deepskyblue]2. Enchantment (compulsion) effects that grant the caster ongoing control over the subject. This is where adjudication gets trickier, because you have to decide what “ongoing control” means. The Sage [/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT][/FONT][LEFT][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman] [LEFT][/LEFT][/FONT][LEFT][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]recommends a broad definition, which includes any non-instantaneous effect that prevents the target from exercising full control over its own actions.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=deepskyblue]Examples would include the obvious (such as [/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT][/FONT][LEFT][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman] [LEFT][/LEFT][/FONT][LEFT][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]command [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]or [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]dominate person[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]), but also the less obvious, such as [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]daze[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1], [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]sleep[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1], and [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]Tasha’s hideous laughter[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]. Such effects would be suppressed for as long as [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]protection from evil [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]lasts on the target.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=deepskyblue]There are still plenty of enchantment (compulsion) effects that don’t grant the caster ongoing control over the subject. [/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT][/FONT][LEFT][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman] [LEFT][/LEFT][/FONT][LEFT][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]Heroism[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1], [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]crushing despair[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1], [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]mind fog[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1], [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]power word blind[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1], [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]rage[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1], and [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]touch of idiocy [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]are examples. [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]Protection from evil [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]has no effect on such spells.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=deepskyblue]But what about mental control effects that aren’t enchantment effects, such as psionics? In such cases, the DM must use the rules and his own best judgment in concert to adjudicate the effect. Psionic powers of the telepathy discipline are the equivalent of enchantment spells, for example, and thus are affected in the same way. Nonspell effects that closely mimic enchantment spells should be treated as if they were spells of the appropriate subschool (charm or compulsion).[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT][/FONT][LEFT][/left][/SIZE][LEFT][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/SIZE] [LEFT]Now here's what the 3.0 FAQ had to say (and remember, the relevant text in the spell description didn't change between editions--only the author of the FAQ did):[/LEFT] [LEFT][B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]The second function of the [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]protection from evil [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]spell blocks any attempt to possess the warded creature or to exercise mental control over the creature. What, exactly, counts as mental control?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/LEFT] [SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=deepskyblue]“Mental control” includes all spells of the school of Enchantment that have the Charm subschool, such as [/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT] [/FONT][/SIZE][LEFT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]animal friendship, charm person, [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]and [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]charm monster. [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]It also includes some Enchantment spells of the Compulsion subschool if those spells grant the caster ongoing control over the subject; such [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]spells include [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]dominate person [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]and [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]dominate monster[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]. Compulsions that merely dictate the subject’s action at the time the spell takes effect are not blocked. Such spells include [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]command, hold person, geas/quest, hypnotism, insanity, Otto’s irresistible dance, random action, suggestion, [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]and [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]zone of truth.[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][/LEFT] [LEFT][B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]Would a [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]protection from evil [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]spell block mind-affecting spells that aren’t from the Enchantment school, such as [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]cause fear, create undead, gate, hypnotic pattern, mount, rainbow pattern, sanctuary, [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][COLOR=deepskyblue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]and [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]summon monster[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/I][/COLOR][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1][COLOR=deepskyblue]No, see previous question.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]Personally, I find the 3.0 FAQ more persuasive as to the first question (what "ongoing control" means), but that second question (regarding non-Enchantments) is borked right from the start. [I]Create undead, gate, mount, sanctuary,[/I] and [I]summon monster[/I] aren't mind-affecting spells (even in 3.0), so why they're even mentioned is a mystery, and besides, [I]protection from evil[/I] doesn't limit itself to Enchantments--it blocks [B]any[/B] "attempt to...exercise mental control over" the subject; certain Enchantments are [B]included[/B] in the category of "attempts to exercise mental control," but are not the [B]entirety[/B] of that category.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]So the 3.5 FAQ says [I]protection from evil[/I] would block [I]brain lock[/I] (a non-instantaneous telepathy power that prevents the target from exercising full control over its own actions), and thus [I]unholy aura[/I] would, too.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]The 3.0 FAQ says [I]protection from evil[/I] wouldn't block [I]brain lock,[/I] for two reasons: (1) because it doesn't grant "ongoing control" (since [I]brain lock[/I] merely dictates the subject's action at the time the power takes effect), and (2) because it's not an Enchantment. FWIW, [B]I[/B] think (1) is a good reason and (2) is not.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]But now you have all the information [B]you[/B] need to make an educated ruling yourself. :)[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] (By the way, I apologize for any irregularities in the format of this post. The new EN World interface really screws cut-and-paste jobs up badly.) [/LEFT] [/QUOTE]
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