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<blockquote data-quote="Andrew Ridenour" data-source="post: 6085511" data-attributes="member: 6705723">I haven't been able to look at the 4e Red Box, and I didn't get to use&nbsp; the Beginner Box to learn PF, so I'm going on reading the 4e PHB, and&nbsp; the PF CRB, so from that alone, PF is easier in my opinion to learn.&nbsp; However, the PFBB does also hold your hand through the character making&nbsp; process, as well as a solo adventure with that character, and then a&nbsp; group play, for those who want to be a DM (and it walks you through that&nbsp; as well.)So, while I haven't had any experience with 4e Red Box, and learned both&nbsp; systems from there respective Rule Books, I have to say that PF is a&nbsp; lot simpler to learn, and with the shear number of expanding books&nbsp; (which you can, for the most part read for free, as mentioned) to read&nbsp; over and learn how to operate a lot of other classes, spells, feats, and&nbsp; other things. (Of course, this isn't to say that 4e doesn't have a lot of expanding material, because it does... I know, I've seen it. Not read it, but seen it.)And as for remembering spells, and feats, that is just something that comes with&nbsp; time, and experience. I know PF spells and feats, because I play PF. You know 4e&nbsp; spells, because you play 4e. After awhile, you know the stuff, and you don't need the book as much as you use to, if at all. (Though, we still keep the book near our table, just to be on the safe side of things.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Andrew Ridenour, post: 6085511, member: 6705723"] I haven't been able to look at the 4e Red Box, and I didn't get to use the Beginner Box to learn PF, so I'm going on reading the 4e PHB, and the PF CRB, so from that alone, PF is easier in my opinion to learn. However, the PFBB does also hold your hand through the character making process, as well as a solo adventure with that character, and then a group play, for those who want to be a DM (and it walks you through that as well.) So, while I haven't had any experience with 4e Red Box, and learned both systems from there respective Rule Books, I have to say that PF is a lot simpler to learn, and with the shear number of expanding books (which you can, for the most part read for free, as mentioned) to read over and learn how to operate a lot of other classes, spells, feats, and other things. (Of course, this isn't to say that 4e doesn't have a lot of expanding material, because it does... I know, I've seen it. Not read it, but seen it.) And as for remembering spells, and feats, that is just something that comes with time, and experience. I know PF spells and feats, because I play PF. You know 4e spells, because you play 4e. After awhile, you know the stuff, and you don't need the book as much as you use to, if at all. (Though, we still keep the book near our table, just to be on the safe side of things.) [/QUOTE]

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