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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6004440" data-attributes="member: 87792">My PCs can kill almost any of my shopkeepers.&nbsp; If they actually need to kill them I'll stat them as a low level minion or simply say &quot;You killed him.&nbsp; The witnesses scream and rush off to fetch the guard.&nbsp; Now what?&quot;&nbsp; (Note: Does not apply to Cadric the One Armed of Cadric's Adventuring Supplies, the retired fighter who sells equipment of the sort he wishes he'd had before he lost his arm, Marcus the Blind Seer who sent an illusion to take his place because he foresaw the attack, or other people with equivalent backstories).&nbsp;The PCs are professional and practiced killers.&nbsp; The NPCs in question are probably unarmed and unarmoured, and normally at the outside are part of the militia.&nbsp; The only question is whether the NPCs can run away.&nbsp; The idea that Bob The Baker should be able to beat up the PCs just because he makes the best cakes in the kingdom is IMO silly.&nbsp;&nbsp;And I'd be confused why you think that his level is something I'd know about in game.&nbsp; For a hammer-off he has whatever level the DM wants based on his reputation.&nbsp; I'd be pissed if he didn't match his reputation in the hammer-off or think that something weird was going on (either's possible).&nbsp; But level measures something about adventurers and combat - I really don't get the idea that the best way for Tim the Sage to learn to use a sword is stay in the library and read more books.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6004440, member: 87792"] My PCs can kill almost any of my shopkeepers. If they actually need to kill them I'll stat them as a low level minion or simply say "You killed him. The witnesses scream and rush off to fetch the guard. Now what?" (Note: Does not apply to Cadric the One Armed of Cadric's Adventuring Supplies, the retired fighter who sells equipment of the sort he wishes he'd had before he lost his arm, Marcus the Blind Seer who sent an illusion to take his place because he foresaw the attack, or other people with equivalent backstories). The PCs are professional and practiced killers. The NPCs in question are probably unarmed and unarmoured, and normally at the outside are part of the militia. The only question is whether the NPCs can run away. The idea that Bob The Baker should be able to beat up the PCs just because he makes the best cakes in the kingdom is IMO silly. And I'd be confused why you think that his level is something I'd know about in game. For a hammer-off he has whatever level the DM wants based on his reputation. I'd be pissed if he didn't match his reputation in the hammer-off or think that something weird was going on (either's possible). But level measures something about adventurers and combat - I really don't get the idea that the best way for Tim the Sage to learn to use a sword is stay in the library and read more books. [/QUOTE]

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