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<blockquote data-quote="GreyICE" data-source="post: 6004442" data-attributes="member: 6684526">Yeah, I mean maybe the Blacksmith is a pacifist, who never attacks anyone, and is forced to make weapons due to the king threatening his family.&nbsp; He might be the best blacksmith in the world, distraught that his talents are being turned to violence, and absolutely incapable of taking on a random skeleton that wanders into his forge.&nbsp; I can't believe it's actually being argued that having proficiency in combat tied to proficiency in EVERY OTHER SKILL IN THE ENTIRE WORLD is a GOOD SYSTEM.&nbsp; I mean if someone has 24 ranks of diplomacy he should have a BAB of at least 10?&nbsp; WHY?Why should a master diplomat have a better chance to hit a monster than a 5th level warrior.&nbsp; I get he's been around a LOT.&nbsp; But he's a goddamn diplomat.&nbsp; You could possibly rationalize him being good in combat, but to say that every master diplomat ever MUST be good in combat is absurdist.Complaining that 4E lets the DM build characters they want to build is complaining about a GOOD THING.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GreyICE, post: 6004442, member: 6684526"] Yeah, I mean maybe the Blacksmith is a pacifist, who never attacks anyone, and is forced to make weapons due to the king threatening his family. He might be the best blacksmith in the world, distraught that his talents are being turned to violence, and absolutely incapable of taking on a random skeleton that wanders into his forge. I can't believe it's actually being argued that having proficiency in combat tied to proficiency in EVERY OTHER SKILL IN THE ENTIRE WORLD is a GOOD SYSTEM. I mean if someone has 24 ranks of diplomacy he should have a BAB of at least 10? [SIZE="6"]WHY?[/SIZE] Why should a master diplomat have a better chance to hit a monster than a 5th level warrior. I get he's been around a LOT. But he's a goddamn diplomat. You could possibly rationalize him being good in combat, but to say that every master diplomat ever MUST be good in combat is absurdist. Complaining that 4E lets the DM build characters they want to build is complaining about a GOOD THING. [/QUOTE]

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