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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 7402821" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>You keep saying this, but you don't know that you're anywhere near accurate in that statement, for two reasons.</p><p></p><p>1) I think you're getting the current RPG Market size from ICv2. If that is the case, then it's inaccurate on it's face. ICv2 only pulls data from local retail game stores. They do not include big box stores like Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and Walmart. So if that is where you're getting your information on current market size, it's only a smaller fraction of the larger total market.</p><p></p><p>2) For the TSR sales, you're giving figures for all of TSR and it's subsidiaries. You're including money from Dungeon and tons of other board games, the D&D cartoon, Boot Hill, Star Frontiers, Gamma World, Top Secret, Marvel Superheroes, hundreds of novels (including Dragon Lance), magazines like Amazing Stories, and tons of branded licensed products at the time and not just D&D. If you want to do that comparison, fine, then WOTC and all it's subsidiaries makes TSR look tiny. </p><p></p><p>We don't have figures for actual D&D sales numbers...Mearls and Crawford have confirmed the records from that era are very hazy, and included books that were returned. Dancy's numbers were all of TSR or at best all of the branded D&D materials and he never drilled down on the data either. You act like you know more than they all do, when they have a LOT more data than you do and they don't know.</p><p></p><p>I think we're going to settle for "we don't know" until Mearls and Crawford decide to tell us their best guess, if they ever do that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 7402821, member: 2525"] You keep saying this, but you don't know that you're anywhere near accurate in that statement, for two reasons. 1) I think you're getting the current RPG Market size from ICv2. If that is the case, then it's inaccurate on it's face. ICv2 only pulls data from local retail game stores. They do not include big box stores like Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and Walmart. So if that is where you're getting your information on current market size, it's only a smaller fraction of the larger total market. 2) For the TSR sales, you're giving figures for all of TSR and it's subsidiaries. You're including money from Dungeon and tons of other board games, the D&D cartoon, Boot Hill, Star Frontiers, Gamma World, Top Secret, Marvel Superheroes, hundreds of novels (including Dragon Lance), magazines like Amazing Stories, and tons of branded licensed products at the time and not just D&D. If you want to do that comparison, fine, then WOTC and all it's subsidiaries makes TSR look tiny. We don't have figures for actual D&D sales numbers...Mearls and Crawford have confirmed the records from that era are very hazy, and included books that were returned. Dancy's numbers were all of TSR or at best all of the branded D&D materials and he never drilled down on the data either. You act like you know more than they all do, when they have a LOT more data than you do and they don't know. I think we're going to settle for "we don't know" until Mearls and Crawford decide to tell us their best guess, if they ever do that. [/QUOTE]
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