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<blockquote data-quote="Riley37" data-source="post: 7476270" data-attributes="member: 6786839"><p>To me this comes across as talking down, as if you're assuming that Gradine hasn't studied that period, and as if you're assuming that Gradine has an oversimplified view of who's nice and who's nasty.</p><p></p><p>When people disagree with you, is it always because they're ignorant?</p><p></p><p>You apparently believe that "villains" and "groups of people pursuing their own selfish primitive interests" are non-overlapping categories. (If so, then I disagree.) Gradine didn't say anything about "villains". How do you know that Gradine sees anyone - individually, or collectively - as villains? What if Gradine is judging the large-scale outcome, which reduced the populations of two continents by a factor of millions, *without* assuming that every individual involved was equally "nasty"? What if Gradine is *already* aware of Bartolomé de las Casas (a Spanish missionary who was appalled)? </p><p></p><p>I think that you jump to conclusions, in order to dismiss Gradine's position as oversimplified.</p><p></p><p>I'd rather that you either (a) address the points people make, as such, in their words, on the questions of morals and ethics; or (b) just ignore their opinions and do what you wanna do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Riley37, post: 7476270, member: 6786839"] To me this comes across as talking down, as if you're assuming that Gradine hasn't studied that period, and as if you're assuming that Gradine has an oversimplified view of who's nice and who's nasty. When people disagree with you, is it always because they're ignorant? You apparently believe that "villains" and "groups of people pursuing their own selfish primitive interests" are non-overlapping categories. (If so, then I disagree.) Gradine didn't say anything about "villains". How do you know that Gradine sees anyone - individually, or collectively - as villains? What if Gradine is judging the large-scale outcome, which reduced the populations of two continents by a factor of millions, *without* assuming that every individual involved was equally "nasty"? What if Gradine is *already* aware of Bartolomé de las Casas (a Spanish missionary who was appalled)? I think that you jump to conclusions, in order to dismiss Gradine's position as oversimplified. I'd rather that you either (a) address the points people make, as such, in their words, on the questions of morals and ethics; or (b) just ignore their opinions and do what you wanna do. [/QUOTE]
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