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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 7479367" data-attributes="member: 57112">Let's take this point by point.The point that you refuse to listen to is that the scenario you keep going on about never existed, and you've never once addressed the question, posed to you on multiple occasions, as to where you are drawing this account from in the first place. At literally no point in the history of westward expansion in North America were settlers ever moving into land they weren't well aware were already occupied, if not utilized at "peak agricultural efficiency" at the time, and your repeated attempts to fall back on this fantasy sounds a lot like using the "superiority" of European civilization to justify imperialism (up to and including wholesale slaughter of less agriculturally advanced cultures.)"Show up now?" They're already here my friend, and I have joined them to fight tooth and nail for <a href="https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/jul/31/rob-arkley-wants-buy-indian-island-prevent-eureka/" target="_blank">every attempt to return local sacred land to tribal ownership</a>. I spent five years working for a local tribal rancheria. What have you done lately to reverse centuries of systemic violence and oppression?My own ancestors came over in the 19th and 20th centuries from Sweden, and didn't really leave Minnesota until the 1950's. I'm not saying they were models of morality at any given point, and I don't necessarily hold them in any higher or lower regard personally as people than the ancestors; I'm sure I had plenty of ancestors who engaged in their bits of unnecessary wanton slaughter and violence, because, well, vikings.Accurately judging the sins and mistakes of our forefathers is what allows us to grow beyond them.</blockquote>

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