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<blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4071065" data-attributes="member: 40961">Regarding rogues with greatswords:Remember that the True Way is to first ask yourself, &quot;why do I want this?&nbsp; What do I hope to accomplish?&quot;&nbsp; And to second ask yourself, &quot;Can I accomplish these goals in other manners?&quot;&nbsp; To restrict yourself to only one path to a conclusion may unnecessarily deny you that conclusion.In 3e, &quot;sneak attack&quot; was really &quot;hit them while they're at a disadvantage and do more damage.&quot;&nbsp; This meant that it was logical to allow sneak attacking with greatswords.&nbsp; In 4e, &quot;sneak attack&quot; includes &quot;hit them while they're at a disadvantage and do more damage,&quot; but I'll bet an imaginary cookie that there are other abilities available which accomplish the same thing in different ways.&nbsp; Do we honestly believe the Fighter will have no abilities that involve brutalizing some sucker who just gave the Fighter combat advantage?&nbsp; So if that's what you want the sneak attack for, you should be covered.If the reason you wanted a Rogue with a Greatsword was because you wanted a viable lightly armored warrior with good alertness and stealth skills (think Conan at times), you are probably a little bit screwed.&nbsp; Chances are that the Fighter is going to assume you wear heavy armor, even if you can make a stealthy, alert Fighter by spending feats (almost certainly possible, see feats previewed that improve alertness to danger).&nbsp; But, there's a good chance that the Barbarian will cover your needs once it is released.&nbsp; In the meantime, I feel your pain- I want to play a Monk or a Shadowcaster.If what you want is to &quot;leap out of the shadows with a cleaver and lop someone's head off,&quot; I would suggest that you don't really want a greatsword.&nbsp; Greatswords are BIG.&nbsp; A cleaver is probably best modeled with a shortsword, and if you want to be a strong rogue who lops off heads, well, there's already the Brawny Rogue and attacks like Torturous Strike.Finally there's the speculation that a feat might exist that allows you to count other weapons as light blades.&nbsp; Who knows?&nbsp; We'll find out.So... ask yourself what your goals are with the greatsword wielding rogue.&nbsp; Maybe the game covers those in other ways.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadfan, post: 4071065, member: 40961"] Regarding rogues with greatswords: Remember that the True Way is to first ask yourself, "why do I want this? What do I hope to accomplish?" And to second ask yourself, "Can I accomplish these goals in other manners?" To restrict yourself to only one path to a conclusion may unnecessarily deny you that conclusion. In 3e, "sneak attack" was really "hit them while they're at a disadvantage and do more damage." This meant that it was logical to allow sneak attacking with greatswords. In 4e, "sneak attack" includes "hit them while they're at a disadvantage and do more damage," but I'll bet an imaginary cookie that there are other abilities available which accomplish the same thing in different ways. Do we honestly believe the Fighter will have no abilities that involve brutalizing some sucker who just gave the Fighter combat advantage? So if that's what you want the sneak attack for, you should be covered. If the reason you wanted a Rogue with a Greatsword was because you wanted a viable lightly armored warrior with good alertness and stealth skills (think Conan at times), you are probably a little bit screwed. Chances are that the Fighter is going to assume you wear heavy armor, even if you can make a stealthy, alert Fighter by spending feats (almost certainly possible, see feats previewed that improve alertness to danger). But, there's a good chance that the Barbarian will cover your needs once it is released. In the meantime, I feel your pain- I want to play a Monk or a Shadowcaster. If what you want is to "leap out of the shadows with a cleaver and lop someone's head off," I would suggest that you don't really want a greatsword. Greatswords are BIG. A cleaver is probably best modeled with a shortsword, and if you want to be a strong rogue who lops off heads, well, there's already the Brawny Rogue and attacks like Torturous Strike. Finally there's the speculation that a feat might exist that allows you to count other weapons as light blades. Who knows? We'll find out. So... ask yourself what your goals are with the greatsword wielding rogue. Maybe the game covers those in other ways. [/QUOTE]

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