D&D 5E An adventure product I'd love to see from WotC

A boxed set named Tyranny of Dragons, with the following content:

- Book 1: Hoard of the Dragon Queen (softcover);
- Book 2: The Rise of Tiamat (softcover);
- Some cool poster maps for the adventure site;
- Handouts of all kinds.

This product would probably be released by the end of 2015, and successful storylines in the future would receive the same treatment. What do you think? Any chances of it happening?
 

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I love boxed sets...the way you can throws dice, pencils, character sheets, and some minis in them and you're good to go...the inclusion of maps and handouts and other surprised...the convenience of having everything you need printed out for you.

What's more likely from a marketing perspective, and what Wizards seems to be doing, is having multiple connected products. So for "Tyranny of Dragons" there are the big adventures, ancillary organized play adventures, miniatures, and possibly maps. You pick and choose which products you want to but.
 


I don't think it'd cost that much. If they can put out the Dungeon! board game for ~$20, repackaging the two modules with some handouts shouldn't cost more than, say $40.
 


A boxed set named Tyranny of Dragons, with the following content:

- Book 1: Hoard of the Dragon Queen (softcover);
- Book 2: The Rise of Tiamat (softcover);
- Some cool poster maps for the adventure site;
- Handouts of all kinds.

This product would probably be released by the end of 2015, and successful storylines in the future would receive the same treatment. What do you think? Any chances of it happening?

Yep, that sounds a pretty cool product, though as Quickleaf says I'd like to also see dice, pencils, character sheets, and (especially) miniatures thrown in.

Plus, I'd much rather see such a product containing a new Adventure Path rather than one simply collecting up an existing path. The problem with a collection is that it causes big issues with sales volumes: firstly, the product itself sells poorly because too many people already own one or both of the softcover books; and then it causes future Paths to sell poorly because people choose to wait for the "deluxe version" to come out. It's basically the old "competing with yourself" problem again - and you've probably turned one reasonable success into two individual failures.

('course, the other problem with boxed sets, at least in the UK, is that as soon as you include dice and/or minis it shifts from being a 'book' to being a 'game', and so incurs both import duties and VAT. That's why the 5e Starter Set costs $20 in the US and $35 over here.)

Do you love it enough to pay $90 for it?

Speaking for myself, yes I would. For a deluxe product like that, especially one that includes everything I need to play for a full year, I'd quite happily spend $150 or more. Provided, of course, I would be reasonably sure that the quality would be there - at the present time I wouldn't buy such a product from WotC, but if Tyranny of Dragons does turn out to be a good one then I might consider it for their next Path.
 


The two adventures are hardcovers, which isn't *that* much mor expensive. So both of them as softcovers should be $50. Plus a box and map.

The box will be a non-standard size, and maps aren't cheap. So that'll likely knock the price up to at least $60.
However, fewer stores will order boxes, being a non-standard product, and it's harder to flip through, which impacts sales. So that'll bump the price to $70 or so.

People love the 2e boxed sets. But we haven't seen many in the intervening 15-20 years. Why? Because they helped kill TSR. WotC brought them back for Essentials and immediately went to flimsier and flimsier boxes before abandoning the boxed sets altogether in favour or wrap around covers.
Even Paizo, which really listens to the desire of its fans, really eschews boxed sets.
 

The way I recall it, TSR folded partly because they produced boxed sets that were so expensive to produce each was sold at loss - the more they sold, the worse the economy was.

I heard that was "Encyclopedia Magica". However I'm sure I also heard that this was actually an urban legend, and not actually true. Though I can't find a cite for that, of course.

(Although it is true that while the Pathfinder Beginner Box cuts margins right to the bone, it is deliberately not sold at a loss. And, for much the same reason, I'm pretty sure the 5e Starter Set won't be sold at a loss.)

Ryan Dancey and Lisa Stevens have written at some length about the demise of TSR. One of the best accounts I've found is in the 25th Anniversary box. Basically, though, they had some really bad business practices (warehousing lots of old, and worthless, products; constantly doing Buck Rogers games that nobody was interested in; and the big one was competing with themselves with five or more heavily supported settings when most people use no published setting at all and very few people use more than one), coupled with two pretty huge disasters hitting at once (the market dropping out of Dragon Dice just after they'd massively invested; and their novel publisher returning huge amounts of unsold stock at just the wrong moment).

It's probably overly simplistic to point at a single thing and say that that was the reason TSR died. It was always pretty badly run. But while the boxed sets may well have played a part in it, I don't think that means that the boxed set in and of itself is a problem - you just have to get the right product at the right price.
 

The two adventures are hardcovers, which isn't *that* much mor expensive. So both of them as softcovers should be $50. Plus a box and map.

The box will be a non-standard size, and maps aren't cheap. So that'll likely knock the price up to at least $60.
However, fewer stores will order boxes, being a non-standard product, and it's harder to flip through, which impacts sales. So that'll bump the price to $70 or so.

People love the 2e boxed sets. But we haven't seen many in the intervening 15-20 years. Why? Because they helped kill TSR. WotC brought them back for Essentials and immediately went to flimsier and flimsier boxes before abandoning the boxed sets altogether in favour or wrap around covers.
Even Paizo, which really listens to the desire of its fans, really eschews boxed sets.

Wasn't Gardmore Abbey a boxed set? Looks like it only cost about $40, and it was done fairly recently.

It contains:

Four 32-page books (128 pages total - doubtful the two adventures are 64 pages, more likely 32 pages + some for fast-play rules)
A die-cut card stock sheet of monster tokens
A die-cut card stock sheet of dungeon tiles
A deck of 24 cards presenting the Deck of Many Things

Replace the Deck of Many Things with a cheap-o set of dice ($5 retail, probably less than half that wholesale) and that should be a pretty complete "set".

I've read all the old info about TSR, but I think the big issue was that a) everything was a boxed set and b) they undercosted the sets. Not that they weren't feasible, just not appropriately priced.
 

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