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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nyaricus" data-source="post: 2545029" data-attributes="member: 35678">compared with you *fantastic* Light Elf this feels bland and way too much like a PHB dwarf . . .in Norse mythology, the names Dark Elves and Dwarves were completely interchangable, but are sometimes called two different races (a good example is in LotR > the names Orcs and Goblins are used interchangably, but there isn't any "proof" whether they were the same race or different) thus, this is kinda up to you for how you want them played; but i would definitively get rid of some of their PHB dwarf traits, and make them more associated with darkness (like your awesome Norse Elves and how they were associated with Light)this kinda come off as a "super-PHB dwarf" rather than a new race. I agree with the -2 Dex . . . on a standard dwarf (infact, i give that to my dwarves instead of -2 Cha) but i dunno . . .it doesnt rub me right. The books/write ups i have read on Norse Dark elves/Dwarves make them sound more like evil masterminds/pranksters > and for that, youd need Int and Cha. so a penalty, and lack of bonus doesnt fit it. Also, since they are in the same race as Light Elves it stands to reason theyd be fairly similar other that sub-racial specifics, but just look at what you gave them. -2 Str and +4 Cha. Now, add that all together, and what do you have? in my opinion: -2 Str, +2 Int, +2 Cha. Descriptive text could go as follows: Norse Dwarves/Dark Elves are masterful tricksters, pranksters and such, but are fairly weak and stunted from living underground, and also do not have such a "presence" that Light Elves havedrop this, and give them the standard 30 feet. they wouldnt have any special training in armour for generations to be rid of the penalties that are associated with wearing medium and up armours and carrying medium and heavy loads.they are folk of the underground, so this is finedrop it. again, another more PHB dwarf trait that is relevant here.do what you did for light elves: +2 vs spells that require a will save. that works fine.id drop this, because the Norse Dark Elves/Dwarves lived underground, and it was the godsthat battled the giants. its not to say that your players couldnt, but it would NOT be a standard battle.id actually expand this a bit > give em +2 Appraise, Craft and Knowledge checks erlated to manufacted items (generally equipment, not things like castles, etc) and also, the +4 is too much; no standard race gets +4 to any skill. as for the +2 use magical device, why not just say that it is automatically on his class skill list, no matter which he chooses?this makes sense, if compared to the Light Elves. Since they constantly war upon each other, the Luminescence ability fits well (meaning blind and then subsequently dazzled during any contact/batter etc, but you need to balance it out, because the Light Elves have the Advantage here. Maybe the Dark Elves/Dwarves should have a Darkness ability that functions exactly like the light elves, and when they come within each others radi, they are suppressed. This would be so cool to see on a large scale: imagine lines and lines of Dark and Light Elves in melee, a great mash in the middle where Auras are blinking on and off like light-bulbs or amazing strobe-lite display, and then the Elves that are not in combat > one side bathed in glorious shineing light so strong that it would hurt a normal humans eyes, and the other line; a vast void in the battlefeild, with chain-clad, stout warriors awaiting their chance to fell the hated light elves . . . I love it!! Also, id say (as an exceptiong to the rule) that Dark Elves may see in their darkness Auras, and that they are suppressable at will.hmmm, they are definitively powerful, my version or yours . . . id give em a +1 LA at least . . . its a draw-back, i know, but frankly, do you think that these creatures should be as strong as a standard human commoner? no, of course not. But even comparing this to say a standard elf (or dwarf for that matter) if very powerful. maybe have them take a racial level, so they get HD, saves, skills, etc, plus their abilities. That would be the best way too, whether it be my version or yours.this is strait outta FB, and i like it, but again, very powerful. maybe a half-power bestow curse would work?? (meaning -3 to one ability, instead of -6, etc) useable once per year. that should do it up fine.dude, you want everything and a box of peanuts for these guys. naw, way to powerful for a racial ability, but for this, get out your copy of Races of Stone (or buy it/download it) as check out the Battlesmith class. that should help you, but again, it is a very PHB-oriented PrC. So design yourself a new one, with specific details that are aimed towards your Dwarves/Dark Elves. I can help with this if you want, but its up to you  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Anyways, that you for two of the best races i have seen on enworld yet. if you can, please lead me to some of you other house rules stuff, cause i really like you style.</blockquote>

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