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<blockquote data-quote="Zustiur" data-source="post: 5987472" data-attributes="member: 1544">Indeed, that is part of the intended design. I like the idea that a character with good will defence will have less trouble breaking out of will-based spell effects. Perhaps another alternative is to take all 4 components, instead of trying to make do with three.1) Defence Value2) Attack Roll3) Saving throws4) Caster based DCWhere Caster based DC is a static number as per 3E. Basically 10+ability modifier+spell level (assuming that fits with 5E maths). This is more forgiving for two reasons - firstly it means you can find out the DC later if you don't note it down immediately, secondly, you won't ever have a DC based on a natural 20 to contend with.Another piece of the puzzle that I left out of the original post is my assumption that 'spell caster disruption' be possible. Again, I didn't want to include this lest the post become too long and complicated, but my intention is that there be a way of preventing 'sustain'. I haven't worked out the nuts and bolts of it, but I am thinking it would play roughly like this:NPC Cleric cast's hold person on the party fighter and sets the DC at 19. The fighter fails to save against the effect on his turn. Seeing this, the party wizard hits the cleric with Melf's Acid Arrow, causing X damage. The cleric must then take a concentration check of some sort in order to sustain the spell next round.Exactly what rules are required to match my imagination of the scenario... I'm not certain yet.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zustiur, post: 5987472, member: 1544"] Indeed, that is part of the intended design. I like the idea that a character with good will defence will have less trouble breaking out of will-based spell effects. Perhaps another alternative is to take all 4 components, instead of trying to make do with three. 1) Defence Value 2) Attack Roll 3) Saving throws 4) Caster based DC Where Caster based DC is a static number as per 3E. Basically 10+ability modifier+spell level (assuming that fits with 5E maths). This is more forgiving for two reasons - firstly it means you can find out the DC later if you don't note it down immediately, secondly, you won't ever have a DC based on a natural 20 to contend with. Another piece of the puzzle that I left out of the original post is my assumption that 'spell caster disruption' be possible. Again, I didn't want to include this lest the post become too long and complicated, but my intention is that there be a way of preventing 'sustain'. I haven't worked out the nuts and bolts of it, but I am thinking it would play roughly like this: NPC Cleric cast's hold person on the party fighter and sets the DC at 19. The fighter fails to save against the effect on his turn. Seeing this, the party wizard hits the cleric with Melf's Acid Arrow, causing X damage. The cleric must then take a concentration check of some sort in order to sustain the spell next round. Exactly what rules are required to match my imagination of the scenario... I'm not certain yet. [/QUOTE]

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