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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 6761572" data-attributes="member: 22424">The problem with this is exactly as the OP says, though - very often the player chooses class first and then picks the race purely because of the ability score mods. Such a player has no interest whatsoever in playing an Elf (or a Half-orc, or a Dragonborn, or whatever), but they want to be a Wizard and the Elf gives an Int bonus, so there it is.It got particularly bad with 3e, where it seemed the game had &quot;an elf for every class&quot;, and so players picked the class and then looked around for which variety of elf gave just the right set of modifiers.My preference (and I appreciate that yours may well vary) would be for players to choose their race because they were interested in playing an Elf (or Dwarf, or Dragonborn, or whatever), and not because that happens to be the optimal choice for their class. And, indeed, if they don't come to the table with a clear notion that they want to be a particular non-human race, I'd prefer them to play a human.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="delericho, post: 6761572, member: 22424"] The problem with this is exactly as the OP says, though - very often the player chooses class first and then picks the race purely because of the ability score mods. Such a player has no interest whatsoever in playing an Elf (or a Half-orc, or a Dragonborn, or whatever), but they want to be a Wizard and the Elf gives an Int bonus, so there it is. It got particularly bad with 3e, where it seemed the game had "an elf for every class", and so players picked the class and then looked around for which variety of elf gave just the right set of modifiers. My preference (and I appreciate that yours may well vary) would be for players to choose their race because they were interested in playing an Elf (or Dwarf, or Dragonborn, or whatever), and not because that happens to be the optimal choice for their class. And, indeed, if they don't come to the table with a clear notion that they want to be a particular non-human race, I'd prefer them to play a human. [/QUOTE]

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