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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 1286183" data-attributes="member: 151"><p>That's not really at question. The thing is, exceptional in Middle Earth and exceptional in the Forgotten Realms are two entirely different things. Magic in Middle Earth, in any occurence, is rare and startling. Magic in the Realms is commonplace and the stuff of daily commerce. There are no adventurers guilds in Middle Earth, thought there is plenty of adventure to be had.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Heh. You're obviously not up on one of the biggest criticisms of the Realms, then (whether said criticism is fair or unfair is left as an exercise to the reader).</p><p> </p><p>Right, but see...here's the thing. He can't, and that's the point I was making. Isildur was a King of Gondor at the close of the Second Age, having the blood of Numenor in his veins and the Gift of Men, capable of fantastic things that even Aragorn, greatest of Men at the close of the Third Age, could not come close to accomplishing.</p><p> </p><p>Not if he's planning on playing in the Third Age or acting as any but one of the five Istari, he's not. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p> </p><p>I really suggest you go to the ME d20 site and click on the 'Campaign' link. You'll soon see that there are many places where a campaign could be set that would allow you to even interact with characters from the books, be exciting, and still not violate the integrity of the stories.</p><p> </p><p>Part of the point of Tolkien's work, IMHO, is that great heroes show themselves by the nature of their character. Aragorn is not the greatest of Men in the Third Age for his skill with a sword (and it is arguable that Boromir isn't his equal, for example), but for his skills, his leadership and his <em>humanity</em>. Let's remember, four of the central characters of the LotR are simple Hobbit aristocrats and commoners, hardly equipped to engage in the wars of Men and Elves. But that hobbit commoner engages in deadly battle against one of the last remaining children of Ungoliant, the horrific Shelob, and <strong>WINS</strong>. I would argue that Sam's victory over Shelob is more heroic than Legolas slaying a bunch of orcs, any day of the week.</p><p> </p><p>I mean, you can have the dwarven smith go out and forge a magic weapon or have a powerful wizard waltzing around a campaign based on ME....but it would just be window dressing, to me. If it doesn't simulate the feel and conditions of Tolkien's Middle Earth, then it's just another collection of names, places and monsters like any other typical D&D setting...and not really like Middle Earth at all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 1286183, member: 151"] That's not really at question. The thing is, exceptional in Middle Earth and exceptional in the Forgotten Realms are two entirely different things. Magic in Middle Earth, in any occurence, is rare and startling. Magic in the Realms is commonplace and the stuff of daily commerce. There are no adventurers guilds in Middle Earth, thought there is plenty of adventure to be had. Heh. You're obviously not up on one of the biggest criticisms of the Realms, then (whether said criticism is fair or unfair is left as an exercise to the reader). Right, but see...here's the thing. He can't, and that's the point I was making. Isildur was a King of Gondor at the close of the Second Age, having the blood of Numenor in his veins and the Gift of Men, capable of fantastic things that even Aragorn, greatest of Men at the close of the Third Age, could not come close to accomplishing. Not if he's planning on playing in the Third Age or acting as any but one of the five Istari, he's not. :) I really suggest you go to the ME d20 site and click on the 'Campaign' link. You'll soon see that there are many places where a campaign could be set that would allow you to even interact with characters from the books, be exciting, and still not violate the integrity of the stories. Part of the point of Tolkien's work, IMHO, is that great heroes show themselves by the nature of their character. Aragorn is not the greatest of Men in the Third Age for his skill with a sword (and it is arguable that Boromir isn't his equal, for example), but for his skills, his leadership and his [i]humanity[/i]. Let's remember, four of the central characters of the LotR are simple Hobbit aristocrats and commoners, hardly equipped to engage in the wars of Men and Elves. But that hobbit commoner engages in deadly battle against one of the last remaining children of Ungoliant, the horrific Shelob, and [b]WINS[/b]. I would argue that Sam's victory over Shelob is more heroic than Legolas slaying a bunch of orcs, any day of the week. I mean, you can have the dwarven smith go out and forge a magic weapon or have a powerful wizard waltzing around a campaign based on ME....but it would just be window dressing, to me. If it doesn't simulate the feel and conditions of Tolkien's Middle Earth, then it's just another collection of names, places and monsters like any other typical D&D setting...and not really like Middle Earth at all. [/QUOTE]
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