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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7944124" data-attributes="member: 6750235">Or just take good spells like banishment or fear or fireball or animate objects etc instead.  The class is irrelevant there.  It's half caster vs full caster while a person could use sorcerer instead of bard and still access higher level spells faster.  Bards have advantages but armor and damage are on the lower end of the scale.  I do prefer bardic inspiration to aura of protection because it moves with characters and can be applied in more ways.That was part of my open test feed back.  "I want more 4e than 3e in my 5e bard."4e wasn't my favorite edition but it certainly wasn't the train wreck some people want to portray it as.The issue with ranger and sorcerer is more people didn't want 4e conversions.Swords bard abilities are attached to the attack action.   That creates a conflict between using flourishes and casting spells.Valor bards add shields and get to keep that AC improvement without burning inspiration or while casting spells.  It's the better front line option.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Either is likely to go rapier and DEX, but valor gains all martial weapons proficiency to go a different build.Bards can use weapons but they don't get abilities that improve using those weapons.  The higher the level the bigger that weapon gap gets.It's the same issue with cantrips where other casters get better damage cantrips and most gain abilities that improve cantrip damage.Bards improve skill use and inspiration instead of weapons and spells.  They are great at support but tanking hits and inflicting damage are not shine moments for them.  They tend to take extra focus just to hit mediocre in those aspects at tbe cost of other areas.</blockquote>

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