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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7945506" data-attributes="member: 6750235"><p>It looks like you are ignoring parts of the argument instead of trying to follow it. That's probably on me for not being clear enough, though. My thoughts get ahead of me sometimes. ;-)</p><p></p><p>To be clear, your P2/B6 is missing paladin features such as oath of enmity and hunter's mark from vengeance as an example compared to a P8 or a F2/P6. Your P2/B6 is also missing an ASI that can either be a damaging feat or attack ability score increase accuracy and damage. More dice does not equal more damage just because it's more dice. It's only part of the picture.</p><p></p><p>That's a separate discussion from smites usually being a poor use of spell slots for a bard.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not strange math. It's just a total of average damage assuming hits. The problem here is "they're fighting demons" is a form of cherry picking. How the campaign is run is not indicative of the classes.</p><p></p><p>An advantage in a particular campaign is not a general advantage.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why would lore bards not be an option and when was it determined advantage was restricted to melee? Your build is specifically using a swords bard. Other subclasses can be argued against the merits of the subclass you selected.</p><p></p><p>Refering to glabrezu is still cherry picking a monster susceptible to smite with advantages against other spells, although I'm not clear why they don't avoid smites by flying.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>When your campaign ends doesn't dictate a general comparison either. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>It's still missing the point of the other paladin abilities being missed and other spell opportunities for the bard.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 7945506, member: 6750235"] It looks like you are ignoring parts of the argument instead of trying to follow it. That's probably on me for not being clear enough, though. My thoughts get ahead of me sometimes. ;-) To be clear, your P2/B6 is missing paladin features such as oath of enmity and hunter's mark from vengeance as an example compared to a P8 or a F2/P6. Your P2/B6 is also missing an ASI that can either be a damaging feat or attack ability score increase accuracy and damage. More dice does not equal more damage just because it's more dice. It's only part of the picture. That's a separate discussion from smites usually being a poor use of spell slots for a bard. It's not strange math. It's just a total of average damage assuming hits. The problem here is "they're fighting demons" is a form of cherry picking. How the campaign is run is not indicative of the classes. An advantage in a particular campaign is not a general advantage. Why would lore bards not be an option and when was it determined advantage was restricted to melee? Your build is specifically using a swords bard. Other subclasses can be argued against the merits of the subclass you selected. Refering to glabrezu is still cherry picking a monster susceptible to smite with advantages against other spells, although I'm not clear why they don't avoid smites by flying. When your campaign ends doesn't dictate a general comparison either. ;) It's still missing the point of the other paladin abilities being missed and other spell opportunities for the bard. [/QUOTE]
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